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As much as I loved the reboot, I really hope they don't insert Khan into the next one. I'm watching Wrath of Khan for the first time in years, and its just an amazing movie. Back when movies used the best special effects they could, but didn't rely on them to make up for plot(see: every director since CGI was invented).
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As much as I loved the reboot, I really hope they don't insert Khan into the next one. I'm watching Wrath of Khan for the first time in years, and its just an amazing movie. Back when movies used the best special effects they could, but didn't rely on them to make up for plot(see: every director since CGI was invented).
From what I've heard, it will be a Khan episode, but it might be more prequel (ie the episode where they meet them and end up stranding them) rather than a remake of Wrath of Khan.
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Well it would have to be a prequel, wouldn't it? The funny thing is, wasn't Nero kind of like Khan in reverse? IIRC Khan was an enhanced human from the past looking for revenge... whereas Nero was a working class guy from the future seeking revenge.
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Iarwin posted:
rmbaldwin posted:
As much as I loved the reboot, I really hope they don't insert Khan into the next one. I'm watching Wrath of Khan for the first time in years, and its just an amazing movie. Back when movies used the best special effects they could, but didn't rely on them to make up for plot(see: every director since CGI was invented).
From what I've heard, it will be a Khan episode, but it might be more prequel (ie the episode where they meet them and end up stranding them) rather than a remake of Wrath of Khan.
really? I haven't heard anything and I've been trying to keep up to date on it, and last I heard the reason its getting pushed out to likely 2012 is that they were having arguments about the script, I think the whole Khan thing is fan fueled atm, though it could be a good thing because then it's more likely JJ Abrams will direct it again
I personally would love to see something new, time is now off balance and anything can happen! why do we need to redo Khan when it would be so hard to live up to the perception in people's minds?
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I personally would love to see something new, time is now off balance and anything can happen! why do we need to redo Khan when it would be so hard to live up to the perception in people's minds?
Name recognition. Branding is the only reason all these things are being rebooted anyway. Most people would know the name Khan, but have very little to no knowledge of the actual character, let alone preconceived notions going into it. Though I agree with you that something original would be better.
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I bet they scrap it and do an updated borg movie.
It would make for a cooler trailer.
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I don't think many even remember Khan from the original series, so they can do a bit of it, but I think the real story will be the final battle when he returns.
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Khan seems like a logical choice...
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Swooshbamwhackbonk posted:
I bet they scrap it and do an updated borg movie.
It would make for a cooler trailer.
I do love me some Borg 
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They rebooted the series so they could do something new with it....
Why the hell would they just start doing remakes? That's stupid.
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That's true, in a sense, but you have to really consider the word new. They wanted a younger, different take because they couldn't make money off the old franchise. But if they wanted to truly do something new, they would have just done something completely original. That's not to say they'll definitely use Khan, because Khan is not Darth Vader level iconic, but he is a name people recognize, and even people who haven't seen it know the film Wrath of Khan. So, just like the Enterprise crew, instead of doing something truly "new" they'll do something different with an old name.
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they should bring back the Tribbles!
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That's true, in a sense, but you have to really consider the word new. They wanted a younger, different take because they couldn't make money off the old franchise. But if they wanted to truly do something new, they would have just done something completely original. That's not to say they'll definitely use Khan, because Khan is not Darth Vader level iconic, but he is a name people recognize, and even people who haven't seen it know the film Wrath of Khan. So, just like the Enterprise crew, instead of doing something truly "new" they'll do something different with an old name.
Exactly. If they use Khan, I would expect it to be something completely different from the original Space Seed episode or The Wrath of Khan. Khan is a great character and almost archetypal to the concepts of power and vengeance. I don't think that bringing him back would take away from the reboot. After all, nobody believed that a Star Trek reboot could be pulled off in a way that was enjoyable and at least marginally acceptable to canon, but they did.
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Well if the time line has shifted so much then odds are the Enterprise won't run into the SS Botany Bay... maybe someone else will... someone Khan can dominate. So instead of dumping them on some planet and him building up all that angst you have a genetically engineered soldier and brutal dictator with an army of 70 or so foot soldiers.
So say a Klingon Cruiser finds the Botany Bay and wakes them up. Treating them like normal humans, or like strangers if the races haven't met yet, then being surprised when they take over. The Klingon empire is based on strength so Khan could easily dominate the crew making them his. From there he picks up a couple more ships and starts to build his empire. To start it would have to be based mostly on piracy to build his numbers so eventually he pisses off the Federation and they send the Enterprise to deal with it. Or he captures a Federation outpost and makes it his which would have the same effect.
I think it would fit their more action oriented reimaging of the franchise but at the same time keep the interest of the people who grew up with it. Hell I grew up with it and would love to see more movies or even a series come back.
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I'm actually kind of depressed right now, I realized last night that the STar Trek phenom was slightly broken for this generation of kids/tweens. My 14 yr old had no idea what the Borg was (were?!). They need a new series for this generation like the past few gen's, the world needs more trekkies and some punked out and emo ones would be a kick!
Until then, mmmm another movie. It'll have to do for now I suppose.
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I'm actually kind of depressed right now, I realized last night that the STar Trek phenom was slightly broken for this generation of kids/tweens. My 14 yr old had no idea what the Borg was (were?!). They need a new series for this generation like the past few gen's, the world needs more trekkies and some punked out and emo ones would be a kick!
Until then, mmmm another movie. It'll have to do for now I suppose.
After enjoying the first movie and the cast choices they made I would love to see a new generation of Star Trek shows too. A new time line, fresh characters and using today's technology for the effects... oh yeah.
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a long time back, before Star Trek came out, I could have swore I heard people discussing that if the movie did well they wanted to take the cast into a new TV Series, whatever happened with that? Did the actors get too big now to do it as a series and are just sticking with the movies or what?
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Spock already has his own TV series.
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That's a good point. But also, I think there are just too many examples of movies being seen as a step up from television, and conversely television being a step down, to think that they'd abandon a blockbuster movies series to make it television. I think, more likely, that if it had been a moderate hit, one where dumping 150 million into another Summer film didn't seem a very profitable notion, they might have tried shifting it to television.
However you can bet that as soon as the reboot was a hit they started talking about a different tv series. I have no idea if any are in the works but I would guess if the sequel is a hit there'd be no doubt some new Star Trek will be on TV in the near future.
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Steelwind_Oo posted:
Ocura posted:
I'm actually kind of depressed right now, I realized last night that the STar Trek phenom was slightly broken for this generation of kids/tweens. My 14 yr old had no idea what the Borg was (were?!). They need a new series for this generation like the past few gen's, the world needs more trekkies and some punked out and emo ones would be a kick!
Until then, mmmm another movie. It'll have to do for now I suppose.
After enjoying the first movie and the cast choices they made I would love to see a new generation of Star Trek shows too. A new time line, fresh characters and using today's technology for the effects... oh yeah.
It would be cool, but yeah as pointed out, Spock is already Syler.
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I don't think anyone ever said they'll make a TV series with the same actors. I can't think of any TV series spinning off from movies where more than one or two members (usually minor characters) sign on for the TV show.
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Paramount has reportedly set June 29, 2012 as date for the second Star Trek movie.
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well at least we can tell the world is ending in 2012 nuts now that they'll still be able to see the next Star Trek before they die! 
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Ugh, why do people always spell Quinto's Heroes character wrong. It's SYLAR .... sorry I had too!
I think a TV show with that cast would be excellent. But Star Trek has always gone from a TV series and then to the "Big Screen", and not vice-versa. I wonder how that would work out.
Getting an ensemble cast like the one in Trek together all on a 5 year contract could be tough since they first made a movie and it was a huge success.
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Ugh, why do people always spell Quinto's Heroes character wrong. It's SYLAR .... sorry I had too!
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spoiler alert! here are some scenes from the upcoming "origin of the borg" star trek movie:
   
   
(just kidding... I'm just playing on the fact that the Borg are a complete rip-off of the Cybermen)
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Nakal posted:
Ugh, why do people always spell Quinto's Heroes character wrong. It's SYLAR .... sorry I had too!
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I'm only a spelling nazi over basic English words when other people are spelling nazis over shi**y tv character names.
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I'd like to see the Q. But I'm pretty sure that story wouldn't have enough explosions for a movie.
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Oh yeah I'd like to the Q too. What do they think of the universe changing? Maybe they try to set it right.
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a movie about the early days of the borg would freakin rock. are the borg even in the original star trek series? i thought they were introduced in next generation.
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a movie about the early days of the borg would freakin rock. are the borg even in the original star trek series? i thought they were introduced in next generation.
Seems possible. Wasn't there talk at some point that V'ger might have been a predecessor of the Borg?
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There are some non canonical stories about it. William Shatner wrote some books on the subject.
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