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So I went to see this over the weekend despite the snow and ice. Went with a group of six, and the breakdown was essentially that the adults liked the movie and the kids did not. It's a good 2.5 hours running time and I think it's a bit too story driven for young kids.

The 3D technology and CGI are by far and away the best I've ever seen. I had completely forgotten that I was watching a (mostly) CGI movie by the end. Also, the 3D effect wasn't used as a gimmick (ie no stuff flying out of the screen to hit you kind of tricks) but rather as just an extension of trying to make the film more lifelike.

I'd almost have to watch it again to give a solid review because I was so in awe of the technology I tended to get a bit distracted. Overall, I enjoyed it and would recommend as a great movie going experience. I'd just leave the kids at home. Super simple 10 second review is: James Cameron's take on a mashup of Dances With Wolves and Titanic with just a dash of Terminator thrown in for spice.<- semi-spoilerish so I'll black it out just in case but not really anything the trailers didn't give away.

Anyone else go see it? What did you think?

 

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saw it friday afternoon, in 2d (they didn't offer 3d where I saw it)



I think the general consensus at least from everyone I've talked to is that the story was kind of bland but the visuals were by far the best I've ever seen, that final battle was amazing



edit: I'd give it a 8 out of 10


I'd see it again in theaters if I had time, and I'll for sure get the BluRay when it comes out

 

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Calling that story bland is laughable. That was one of the best movies I have seen in my entire life. Great story, great visuals, great music, great actors.

 

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Calling that story bland is laughable. That was one of the best movies I have seen in my entire life. Great story, great visuals, great music, great actors.




perhaps bland isn't the word I'm looking for, but been done a few times already

 

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That's an accurate statement, since Cameron himself has said as much himself.

 

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Last of the Mohicans with better visuals.

 

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The story was done, over and over again. But the concepts was nifty, like their pony tail and the other animals...

I love when the main female connected with the feral cat thing.

 

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Overall it was a good movie.

Tho I do have to say the story was not very imaginative, and very predictable. Almost like watching a two and a half hour long really bad ass Saturday morning cartoon.

Boy goes to help destroy planet/native people/aliens/environment/rednecks/etc.
Boy meets girl
Girl hates boy
Montage time
Girl loves boy
Boy falls in love with girl and now wants to save said planet/native people/aliens/environment/rednecks/etc.
Fighting ensues.


As stated before its no secret this story has been done to death, but they did it well. I guess I just wish they would have added something to it, or given me at least one thing I didn't see coming from miles away.


 

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I saw it at an IMAX that a local theater had recently installed, and although I got bad seats in there because my brother took us late, I was really blown away. I was surprised how packed the theater was considering we saw it at 3:25pm on a Monday, and there was an incredibly long line outside the theater once we got out. Maybe they were waiting for other movies too, but my guess is that they were also waiting to see Avatar.

The thing I loved about the movie was the little details. For example, when he first enters the body, and starts running around in it, you could see the dirt moving around his feet, something that's hard to accomplish easily in normal CGI-only movies (which is why their worlds often seem sterile). Or when a fight occurs, and things get thrown around, you could see dirt/leaves/grass moving around as well.

I loved how cool the human base looked on the inside. The 3D was not overdone, it really helped to make it look like I was inside the base with them, watching it from a few feet away. I bet we'll also have computer images and displays like that within 30 years or so.

Not that this alone would sell the movie, but it really enhances it and makes it seem like a world that's existed all this time, not suddenly sprung out of existence out of nowhere. I remember reading somewhere that Cameron was influenced with this because of Star Wars, and how it seemed like a lived-in universe unlike earlier sci-fi movies where everything was crisp, clean, and brand new.

The 3D wasn't perfect all the time though. Sometimes it got really distorted and really broke up. So the image that the camera was focused on was crisp, but then everything around it was terribly out of focus and wasn't even recognizable. Such as the scene where the Naavi were burying the dead one. Everything close up was recognizable, but the background stuff was so blurry as to make you wonder if your vision was distorted or something. But it only lasts for a few seconds, so it doesn't break you out of it.

One minor nitpick I have is when Michelle Rodriguez is flying the helicopter. How come she never wears the mask when flying? You can argue that they're in a sealed environment...but you can see this in the trailer where she says "You should see your faces." The problem with this is that the back door to the cockpit is open, meaning she's breathing in that poisonous to human air. Nothing that's going to ruin the movie, but still considering the amount of attention put into the other scenes, you'd think Cameron would've noticed this.

One other thing I wished the movie had more of, mech vs. naavi combat. The last fight scene was pretty awesome, but it would've been great to see at least one other fight like that, considering they were about the same height and what not.

Personally, if I were in charge, I'd just nuke them from orbit, just to be safe grin But then there'd be no movie either, so I can see why Cameron did this. Will be interesting to see what happens in the sequels now.

 

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perhaps bland isn't the word I'm looking for



No, bland is exactly the word you were looking for. In honesty, you should take it a step further and call it what it really is: vapid or insipid would work.

Over-done CGI and tons of marketing driven hype to confuse the half-wits in to thinking a two and a half hour film with a cliched ass for a story is good. if you loved this film you can rest assured that you are the lowest common denominator.

 

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Is proud to be a lowest common denominator.

I laugh when people come in here and try to pretend they are that much smarter/richer/more handsome than anyone else. Just because a person doesn't like a popular movie, suddenly everyone else is a drooling lemming and that said person is the only one that is superior.

 

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That's Yoss for you. Once you realize he's smarter than everyone else, you'll be a much happier person. Pretty much anything the general populace enjoys, he hates.

So never mind the fact that every story in hollywood ever has been recycled at some point, and never mind that the visual effects aren't just impressive, but the biggest technological leap forward in a decade...what you need to focus on is the opinion of the guy on the VNboards with anger issues.

 

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Urk_VN posted:
I saw it at an IMAX that a local theater had recently installed, and although I got bad seats in there because my brother took us late, I was really blown away. I was surprised how packed the theater was considering we saw it at 3:25pm on a Monday, and there was an incredibly long line outside the theater once we got out. Maybe they were waiting for other movies too, but my guess is that they were also waiting to see Avatar.

The thing I loved about the movie was the little details. For example, when he first enters the body, and starts running around in it, you could see the dirt moving around his feet, something that's hard to accomplish easily in normal CGI-only movies (which is why their worlds often seem sterile). Or when a fight occurs, and things get thrown around, you could see dirt/leaves/grass moving around as well.

I loved how cool the human base looked on the inside. The 3D was not overdone, it really helped to make it look like I was inside the base with them, watching it from a few feet away. I bet we'll also have computer images and displays like that within 30 years or so.

Not that this alone would sell the movie, but it really enhances it and makes it seem like a world that's existed all this time, not suddenly sprung out of existence out of nowhere. I remember reading somewhere that Cameron was influenced with this because of Star Wars, and how it seemed like a lived-in universe unlike earlier sci-fi movies where everything was crisp, clean, and brand new.

The 3D wasn't perfect all the time though. Sometimes it got really distorted and really broke up. So the image that the camera was focused on was crisp, but then everything around it was terribly out of focus and wasn't even recognizable. Such as the scene where the Naavi were burying the dead one. Everything close up was recognizable, but the background stuff was so blurry as to make you wonder if your vision was distorted or something. But it only lasts for a few seconds, so it doesn't break you out of it.

One minor nitpick I have is when Michelle Rodriguez is flying the helicopter. How come she never wears the mask when flying? You can argue that they're in a sealed environment...but you can see this in the trailer where she says "You should see your faces." The problem with this is that the back door to the cockpit is open, meaning she's breathing in that poisonous to human air. Nothing that's going to ruin the movie, but still considering the amount of attention put into the other scenes, you'd think Cameron would've noticed this.

One other thing I wished the movie had more of, mech vs. naavi combat. The last fight scene was pretty awesome, but it would've been great to see at least one other fight like that, considering they were about the same height and what not.

Personally, if I were in charge, I'd just nuke them from orbit, just to be safe grin But then there'd be no movie either, so I can see why Cameron did this. Will be interesting to see what happens in the sequels now.




they wanted the resources though, wouldn't unloading a ton of radioactive material on it make it kind of pointless? tongue

 

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They should've poisoned the air by adding oxygen then, ala Battle for Terra, another movie that had some really similar themes to this one which no one probably saw. Except in that movie the humans were trying to find a new place to live because they trashed Earth, Venus, and Mars, and their spaceship was on the verge of breaking down, and the final battle's strictly an air battle.

But I'm sure I wasn't the only person thinking that orbital bombardment wouldn't of been out of the question. Or if nothing else, just do a ton of airstrikes with high altitude bombers grin

But anyway, I'm getting off topic here, so I'll say again, the movie was pretty awesome, and I hope that we can get more movies like them.

 

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i saw it on imax 3d and was blown away by the experience. i say experience because that is what it felt like... a ride of sorts. it was actually entertaining just to watch. Yes, the story has been rehashed over and over in different forms in different movies but it was a different twist in it. I recommend seeing it in 3D to get fully immersed into their world.

 

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i only saw it in 2d, but i really enjoyed watching it, though its a bit long so at times i was starting to get uncomfortable in my seat sitting still for so long.

 

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i saw it on imax 3d and was blown away by the experience. i say experience because that is what it felt like... a ride of sorts. it was actually entertaining just to watch. Yes, the story has been rehashed over and over in different forms in different movies but it was a different twist in it. I recommend seeing it in 3D to get fully immersed into their world.


this summed it up perfectly!

 

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-Okami- posted:
Last of the Mohicans with better visuals.


I gotta disagree with the last part of the comment. Last of the Mohicans cinematography was amazing... especially if you saw it in the theater back in the early 90's. The visuals and the score made it one of the most memorable cinematic experiences I have ever seen. Yeah Cameron can world build, but 3-D and alien environments don't make the imagery "better" in my mind.

And for those of you who care about such things... this film is chugging along like a mofo. I am not suggesting it's going to play as long as Titanic, but the numbers suggest that it's showing legs that might take it past TDK stateside and ROTK worldwide.

 

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The story was a bit cliche BUT had a lot of depth to it that were a great touch. Cameron spent time developing his work, including even the language, in his attempt to "out Lucas Lucas".

The special effects were amazing, and brought some hope that within my lifetime, there will be a holodeck!

 

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3D worth it

Loved it

 

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I got kicked out for jerking it during the hot blue monkey sex scene.

 

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I got kicked out for jerking it during the hot blue monkey sex scene.


laugh

Thanks for starting my Monday morning off with that thought...

 

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Hehe, here is a synopsis I came across.
Warning it might be a bit spoilerish!

 

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Not making excuses for Cameron because I am not a big fan of his type of moviemaking, but he has pretty much stated he intentionally takes elements from popular stories and synthesizes them into a basic structure he can build his worlds around. I think he even said in an article that he analyzed 8-10 common elements of the most successful movies of all time and used that as a basis to write The Terminator. It's definitely not a mindset that I relate to, but it's hard to argue with the results. This movie has a legit shot at topping the biggest film of all time... which, as everybody knows, was his last movie. So, even though the comparison is funny, he's essentially in on the joke. Maybe the joke is on the audience.

 

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I think the joke is actually on the people whining about how he copies elements from other stories.

 

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I don't think anybody is really whining about it. It's a legitimate criticism. Not everyone has the same tastes. However, not only does this movie have a shot at the box office record, it's got a shot at best picture. Now, like box office, the Oscars are not as important as they might seem to some- but the bottom line is if your last two movies have broken the bank and swept the biggest awards in your industry, that deserves major respect. As I have said multiple times, Cameron is not really my kind of director, but damn if the man doesn't know what he's doing.

edit- And I think a lot of people think that breaking records is just ho hum, because as ticket prices increase and time goes on, they're made to be broken. That's true to a certain extent, but even films that gross a ton of money aren't necessarily phenomenons. Transformers is not a phenomenon. Most big movies follow a pattern that the studio can predict. They flood the market with advertising, convince people to rush out to see it on the first weekend, and then chart the steady decline in attendance. It's like clockwork. After 8 days (Friday to Friday) they often know almost exactly how much a movie is going to make, even if it's in theaters for 2 months. It's the very definition of why box office is usually meaningless to everyone but the people raking in the cash.

Avatar has been out awhile now, and people still don't know the ceiling. I have read, using the same multipliers as Return of the King, the film could get to 680 million domestic. But it's more than the raw numbers. To create this type of buzz, where your movie is pretty much flatlining on weekends- attendance dropping 5-10 percent where most movies drop 50, and to do it with back to back movies, is just silly. Cameron's method of cannibalizing story details might be every bit as cold and calculated as a studio looking for a 1980's cartoon to turn into the next blockbuster, but one cannot deny he has found something that connects to his audience in a way those studio films don't.

 

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It's not like I make fun of him for taking several popular ideas from others and putting them together.
I find it amazingly humorous that he took a single really old overused story that others have already done to death, but because he wrapped it in amazing animation, people call it the best movie ever. (The animation and graphics were good, the 3d itself was just ok)

It's like some of the things that come out of DC. You can get people to vote for a turd if there's an American flag wrapped around it.

 

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"(The animation and graphics were good, the 3d itself was just ok)"

What movie did you see... The 3D is what MADE the movie!!

 

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Eh, the cgi was outstanding, and is what made the movie. It did a great job of making it feel real, blending with real world people and objects.
The 3d was average. The only thing in focus was what they wanted you to look at. Everything else was blurred.
It was quite annoying at times. But at least they didn't do cheesy tricks, like yo-yos at the screen and such. It gave the immersive feel, not the "hey look,woooohhhh it's 3d woooooooh" effect.

 

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But at least they didn't do cheesy tricks, like yo-yos at the screen and such. It gave the immersive feel, not the "hey look,woooohhhh it's 3d woooooooh" effect.


That was the entire point. The 3D was supposed to add to the realism, not be a gimmick. James Cameron's movies have never been the most thought provoking or the most original, they have been about showing what the absolute peak of today's technology can do.

After seeing the Star Wars special editions, where the puppets and animatronics have been replaced with CG characters, and realizing how fake they look, and the awful Indian Jones and the Crystal Skull, I'm thankful for Avatar upping the bar.

 

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The CGI blew me away. There were times you forgot what was real and what wasn't.

I would've liked a more original or less predictable story, but overall, I really enjoyed the movie.

I was surprised they were sold out at 3PM on a Saturday weeks after release. I had to wait and see the 4:30 show.

 

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I love it how they were saying that many people got depressed after watching the movie... lol

 

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Just passed Titanic as the number one worldwide film. By the end of its run it should be 100 mill up on Titanic in the US and 300-400 worldwide. Which means that Cameron has essentially lapped any movie not made by him in terms of box office.

The reason I find this so interesting, while I get that the guy makes good popcorn movies, I have always been less than enthusiastic about his films. The first Terminator is a good movie for what it is, and I really need to see the Abyss. I guess. But True Lies, and Titanic are a big thumbs down for me. T2 and Aliens are entertaining, but I find them pretty flawed.

 

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One of the worst movies considering the hype surrounding it. 7ft tall people falling in love with each other just doesn't do it for me... I'd give it a 3/10 and that's including the nice 3D gfx.

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLzKwTcGO_0

Not as good as The Phantom Menace review, but very worthwhile.

 

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laugh

 

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Saw it at IMAX 3D, and I thought it was a great movie. It wasn't as good as Terminator 2, but it's up there.

 

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