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Topic: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)

Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	But that's because she has bad taste in movies. I just saw this movie last night, and jesus christ it was bad. I'm not exactly a huge SciFi nerd, but I do enjoy the shows that aren't campy. This one was the epitome of campy. I'm not even going into the details of the plot, but character development was horrible! Spoilers be here. Ok, so most protagonists go through a change, especially if they're sniveling weasels at the beginning. We have a perfect candidate in this movie, he's the enemy, he's an idiot, and he's a wimp. When does he change? No where at all. He goes through the whole movie, and the only time he shows balls is when he dons his Super suit where nothing can really hurt him and the only reason he bothers to fight is because he can't run any more and people are trying to immediately kill him. Also, that whole 'hidden' message was a joke. Wow, lets show how horrible apartheid was, and juxtapose how ignorant and animalistic black people are. I mean, we got the white corporations (with one token black guy) obscenely and cruelly exploiting the aliens, we have the aliens trying to survive and eating catfood out of cans, and then we have black people barbarically chopping off arms and trying to eat them for their spiritual powers. I think they might have convoluted their message on that one! Finally, nothing was resolved. (gasp, could this be part of the hidden message? Is apartheid still going on in South Africa?? Well, this movie certainly did not make me want to care any more about it.) At least have some epic moment where the aliens power up their death star, only for it to destroy all man-made weapons and say some Planet of the Apes or King Kong morale that would ruin good movies but could only better this crapfest, "They really only wanted to live in peace!" or "Maybe it was us who were the true animals." or, "Humans were the ones we should have feared after all!" -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Charnley123 Posts: 3,910 Registered: Jan 5, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 3,826 User ID: 595,054	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	I saw Alien Nation with Sgt. Fransisco, so I didnt think I needed to see this movie kkthx -----signature----- UPTIGHT SNOB seeks narrow-minded, idiotic, trigger-happy bigot for enormous offensive argument. Which I will win.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	I liked itâ€¦ I also liked the original shortâ€¦ and I love the true historic event of District 6 which this movie is a basic parody of. I thought the movie was made in a new unusual way, using everything from first person point of view, to watching it through security cameraâ€™s, to news reports. I enjoyed it and the storyline of it. Maybe our taste of movies is differentâ€¦. A lot of people loved Brokeback Mountain but I think it just suckedâ€¦ literally. And yes the protagonist does go through a changeâ€¦ he went from only caring about himself to carrying for Christopher and turning his back on a potential cure to save Christopher.. also the fact that he didnâ€™t go through some kinda characteristic change is amazing.. he went from alien racist treating the prawns as second class citizens to becoming one of them trying to survive.. Without his super suit, did not not get balls and launch an offensive by going right into the main base explaining it may be a suicide mission, yet doing it for that chance, then showing compassion to Christopher once he saw the torture his humans were doing to the prawns? He went from ignorant and hate to sympathetic and the exact opposite of what he started to become. Also, yes the aliens arrived here and were treated as the bottom of the social ladder, it would be impossible for humans or anyone to treat anything else as equal regardless of the technological advancement they may have. As for your remark about black people eating eachother to spiritually ingest their powersâ€¦ yeah.. like that doesnâ€™t happen now in many voo doo ridden tribal parts of Africa? This is stillâ€¦ common practice over thereâ€¦ voo doo and the such may be stupid to us, but to them our beliefs in a dude attached to a few 2 x 4s and rising from the dead forgiving our sins is rathers stupid as well. Africa and true bush Africans arenâ€™t exactly that civilized so this movie depicted them as proper based on that beliefâ€¦ not all black people are like that.. donâ€™t forget, most the cops and swat team in the movie were black as well including the main chief whom was proper and modernized (domesticated). I donâ€™t see this movie as racial, though againâ€¦ it was a true dipictation of District 6 which I believe occurred in the 80sâ€¦ I dunno, too lazy to research it. Again, this movie is a historical parody. -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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briq Posts: 8,201 Registered: Nov 20, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,016 User ID: 860,019	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	anyone that didn't notice social parallels in this movie from nearly every county on the globe and throughout history really needs to read more. it also takes very open jabs at weapons manufacturers who, weather we want to admit it or not, will go to any extreme to get ahead. and altra, alot of people tend to not want to watch things that are a bit too close to "home" for them. could it be that you are on one side or the other of a racial/social rift? I thought it was a fairly well presented film that was left open-ended for sequel possibilities. definitely more to the movie than the trailers. -----signature----- http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/myspace-graphics/funny-pictures/christopher-walken-insult.jpg "I'm not racist, I have a black president" - Dane Cook
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_Six,_Cape_Town Even tho Altra is black, I still love him like a "brotha" But the story is more home to what happened in our true history then sci fi, Briq is correct. In a way, the entire basis of this movie happened as you can see in the link I provided. I saw no racial stereotyping in this movie... I imagine some might be offended due to the portrayal of the Nigerian Gangs, but that's pretty accurate to how they operate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_Society TBH - I am surprised Al Sharpton hasn't complained about this movie yet... as he normally does.. Hell he ranted for weeks on Resident Evil 5... some people gotta whine about everything... because of this I cannot buy my Zippidy Doo Da Brer Rabbit cartoon on DVD and am stuck watching it on VHS! but as for cannibalism..... it happens periodically regardless of race and location... for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lurch a modern day rapper with an appetite of love... I loved the movie... and think it's a Must See... guess I just love crappy movies... On a side note... Sweeny Todd is still the worst movie I have ever seen that got so much hype. -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	briq posted: and altra, alot of people tend to not want to watch things that are a bit too close to "home" for them. could it be that you are on one side or the other of a racial/social rift? lol, not at all. I just think the irony was a bit overdone, and I doubt it was intentional. And I'm not arguing that this was being untrue to African gangs, but it's a bit counterproductive to portray them in such a way when trying to deliver such a strong moral. As for the more than the trailers let on, I would say that the only good part that the trailers left out, vague as they were, was the pig. Lexi, don't you own a dog? I'm assuming you consider it to be part of your family. Imagine if it could talk to you, I think you'd find humans are far more compassionate than you give them credit for, in dealing with non-human beings. I doubt PETA for Aliens would be less prevalent should something just crash land on the planet. -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	The irony of your statement is amazing. Let's play make believe... let's say something happened in Roswell.... what do you think is most likely? That the government found aliens and released them in to our public treating them as our guest and they eat, sleep, drink, and hang out at frat parties - or that they isolated and experimented on them, disected them, and took them apart with their technology to see what makes them tick? Let's play pretend again - yes my dog wakes up one day and talks to me.. would I be on Oprah or would they cart my dog off to a laboratory (lets pretend and call it Area 51) and hook him up to a car battery to see wtf happened to make him suddenly communicate? Also, in case you don't realise this, PETA cares more about animals then people. Now if this movie were real, you honestly do not foresee humans (especially primitive people) selling their body parts or ingesting them for medical beliefs or experiments? Aren't the chinese the leading population of black market organs now? You honestly think PETA or _a branch of_ would form a union to stop the ill treatment of these 'outsider?' You think the world governments would recognise them, give them jobs, social security numbers, health care, education, etc? Doubtful. Less then 200 years ago people owned people, in some parts it still exists and hatred still brews. I doubt people will learn from the past and welcome a third race amidst us with open arms... again - look at our history and district 6 which was within a generations time. The portrayal of this movie is that the world would not welcome another race within our ranks without some kind of backlash - especially this day and age... they tried in the movie at the beginning remember? Then they were openly aggressive, thieves, ate peoples stuff and just destroyed things - so they placed them in the camp... exactly what happened when whites and blacks mixed in South Africa prior to District 6. So to say the irony is lost is like saying it never happened when it did.. the only difference is they added a third race to the mix. The black gangs there were portrayed exactly how they are now and always will be. You are looking at the earliest forms of life, the most primitive country, and the one where evolution seems to have stopped. I doubt they would shape up and become modernized with anything being introduced.. the movie did a good job on 'assuming' what would happen... again.. it just showed the past with District 6 with a sci fi twist. -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	You might be right about your speculation, but I don't believe it, and didn't find it believable in the movie. Lexi_Necrodiva posted: T Also, in case you don't realise this, PETA cares more about animals then people. Yes, and you don't think a PETA would pop up for Aliens? It would have many more supporters for beings who can actually articulate themselves, don't you think? -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	PETA is an organization for animal cruelty not human cruelty. I have yet to see them interfere with the issues of 3rd world countries, child labor issues, or black market organ harvesting. If anything they have harmed humans many times that deal with animals, beating up circus owners, and people wearing fur coats. Amazingly enough, you are trying to consider these aliens as a human entity worthy of protection by a group that has a long history of beholding animals to the highest pedestal. Are you declaring that an alien species should be considered on the same level of an animal or dung beetle worthy of PETAâ€™s protection or as a nullified human race protected by the basic Geneva Convention and given the full rights of mankind? They were given shelter, they were given food rations, and they were being exploited.. just like Africans are now and have been and always will be to themselves. What do I believe? They will be treated like they were in the movieâ€¦ a 3rd class human kind, like the hoods and tribes of Africa are today. They will be treated like 3rd world humans, harvested for organs, treated as cheap labor etc. You say it cannot happen, but itâ€™s already happening now.. take a look at the lifestyles of these primitive countries, hell take a look at bums in Detroit or Southern California. Hell, here in Florida, you pay a Mexican a case of beer and perhaps 50 bucks, put him in the back yard and give him tools â€“ you got yourself a porch instantly. I doubt the world would allow a race to be introduced and instantly moved to the top social ladder.. with todays economy, job rate, unemployment, etc.. it wouldnâ€™t possible happen. Just look at the slums in our own country. Prostitution, drugs, etc are rampant.. the movie portrayed it perfectly. They tried to treat them at equal and then moved them into camps when they couldnâ€™t absorb properly.. did you miss the first 10 minutes? Where the people got tired of the Prawns and started to riot so the government put them in camps.. kinda like the US did to the Jap-Americans in WW2, or how blacks and whites did to eachother in District 6â€¦ which is in South Africa.. which is an exact parallel (as Briq stated) that this movie is aboutâ€¦ which.. DID.. happen. District 9 is such a good movie â€“ God has it on TiVo. -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	Lexi, when you put words in my mouth, you only argue with yourself. But the point I'm trying to make right now is so simple that I have no why idea how you're having trouble understanding it. If PETA exists in this world for beings as low and dumb as animals, why do you not accept that a defense organization (akin to PETA) would not be created for the aliens? And then how would you not believe that more people would be in support of such a defensive initiative for other beings that can talk than they are in support of one for animals? You cannot tell me that if aliens were to show up here, powerful lobbies would be created in their support. The powers that be, at least on the Western side, would be forced to take measures as strong as, if not stronger than, nuclear protocols. As for why any organizations have failed in Africa, there are multiple reasons for that. I will point out only a couple: 1) Humans are expendable, aliens, humpback whales, and polar bears are obviously not. 2) The exploitation being done in these countries is mostly directed at the resources, not so much towards the people - they just get the blowback and are forced to live in the poverty. 3) The people who are directly screwed over live in countries. Sovereignty makes it difficult to invade a country for the betterment of the people in the country (see the Iraq, Afghanistan, etc fiasco's). 3.2)If aliens were left in Africa and they had any perceived value to them, there is no way in hell that any first world country would leave them to any country in Africa. That place would be carpet bombed and annihilated before any 3rd world country could get its hands on a fraction of the power the aliens would have to offer. If the US didn't have the balls to round up every alien and their tech and declare itself the new ruler of where ever they landed, China, Russia, or Iran would have no qualms. In fact, a more believable movie would be a WWIII brought about by the desire to obtain these weapons and technologies the aliens brought, even if humans couldn't use them. You don't think we would expand our Psy Ops programs to manipulate the aliens to use their weapons for us? Instead of keeping the aliens in slums, we'd be training a large portion to be p(R)awns (haha!) in our battles. Finally, and again, you keep bringing up District Six, but that only makes one of my original points. If you're retelling the tale of District Six, and you're using aliens to depict the refugees, then what exactly are you trying to say with the black gang members. Again - White Corporations = the ruling class who decided that Cape Town was a slum because of intermixing the races. Aliens = the blacks who were uprooted and forced to live in squalor. Black people in the movie = ?? animals?? really? That's the message its sending and it seems painfully overlooked by anyone in the production of the movie (and those on this thread?). Telling me that the movie accurately portrayed West African's (in South Africa!) doesn't dispute my point that their portrayal in the movie is steps backwards for any theme, moral, or message it might be trying to make. And by 'might be trying to make,' I mean desperately attempting and failing miserably. -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	But.... big corporations are always white controlled...... that's how it is... except maybe like.. BET. I don't see stereotyping or falseness in that because well... it's true. The blacks were not placed in the movie as animals... because... that is honestly how they act over there. That's like making a movie on Austrailians and focusing on the nice white people there, and showing the tribal Aborigine's that are the blacks.. it's not stereotyping.. because thats absolutely true. Now there are some domesticated and intelligent blacks.. and that movie showed them... the black tech coworker.. and the police force, but in showing the 'gangs' and drug lords over there... their main base of religion is the voo doo primitive way.. so how did that movie depict them as pathetic when they truly... have that belief? Yes you are right... we would invade to take over their technology etc... just like you said.. if my dog talked to me.. the government would step in and take her away for experiments, or Roswell if you believe that. Yes, I imagine an organization would try to protect the lessers if this happened, like the NAACP does now. THey did in the movie, but 1 thing about organizations is they only care about themselves and profit. Al Sharpton may speak equality, but he's one of the biggest racists and backwards race profiteers on this planet. An organization was made in the movie... to solely control and take their technology, and as you saw experiment on the Prawns biologically. The movie portrayed a possible 'what could happen' perfectly and no stereotyping was done. Watch any Nigerian video or documentary and you will see that they were actually made too smart in the movie. Again voo doo and digesting others may be stupid to us - but it is common to them: http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/150938/nigerian_gangs_use_voodoo_in_sex_trade/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/22/nigerian-voodoo-forced-pr_n_206951.html primitive belief indeed... but so was following Ra, the Gods on Olympus, and perhaps to future civilizations.. Christianity. -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	Lexi_Necrodiva posted: The movie portrayed a possible 'what could happen' perfectly and no stereotyping was done. Watch any Nigerian video or documentary and you will see that they were actually made too smart in the movie. lol, you are so ridiculous. I really hope you're intentionally acting like this. Anyway, like I said, I'm not arguing about whether or not this movie is a possible reality should aliens land in Africa. I'm arguing that it is ridiculous to have such an obvious moral that is anti-apartheid and anti-racist and then convolute it with black people acting like animals. But then, maybe the writers/director/producers all share the same view of race as you, Lex. BTW, panties shouldn't foam! Check your local gyno should this occur. -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	So black headhunters, tribal people, cannabals, and the bush people are not primitive and the movie mis represented them as being ... uneducated animals? Are you seriously saying this is false and they are not really and truly like that? Some are... some are not.. To deny this is dumb and not racist at all but factual.. the movie portrayed them as voo doo following derelics who digest their victims... like they ACTUALLY do now.. again thats fact not fiction.. so how is it considered false and racist? not all blacks werel ike that in the movie btw.. only that CLICK. are all white people bumbling nerds like the protagonist that betrays everyone until the very end and when cornered? gimme a break.. damn reverend wright mindset... -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	someone doesn't know what an analogy is.... -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbeat/2009/08/27/moos.grandma.hoe.attack.cnn District 6. -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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torii_T Posts: 5,390 Registered: Jul 31, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,291 User ID: 702,261	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	Altra is black? -----signature----- Insta AE IQ debuff just by opening this thread.--Loathario Toree <Moral Turpitude> open<---bah It definately takes more skill to do what we do, than to follow a minstrel/bard/(no offense but I don't know Mid speed wagon) --Gralis-50 scout<- LMAO
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	as black as slim shady. -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Fedup23 Posts: 2,271 Registered: Jul 14, '06 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 2,265 User ID: 1,155,204	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	They should have showed white people gathered around a fire in lion cloths ,grinding up the Prawns bones and eating their private parts. That would have made a ton of sense.... In fact, I demand that any movie depicting bush people or jungle tribes throw in some white folks dressed in underwear made out of leaves. -----signature----- (none)
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	the only time savages and white people mix in movies is in prison videos or sports movies - but they are often referred to as coach or warden. and leaf underwear itches btw. -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	How about Russians harvesting organs and selling the aliens for sex. It wouldn't take much imagination to think of something that wouldn't completely destroy the movies theme. -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	Altra.. that was done in both the X-Files Part 2 movie... and (harvesting organs purely for sex) - Crank 2. X-Files 2 was horrible, but it boiled down to rogue Russian scientists harvesting organs to prolong life etc. Crank 2 - basically the same thing, but the rich Russian dude was doing it for the rich Asian dude.. so he had a big weiner and could mount all them jap chicks. Have we honestly become so PC in the world that we are afraid to make movies because they offend people? Look at my wonderful Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby... that was a wonderful Disney movie.. but will it ever get to DVD? Nope.. because people scream racism... If you wanna cry foul... how the hell was "White Chicks" considered a non racial film? Think anyone could go to 'that' extreme with black face and do the same thing infiltrating the Black Panthers? doubtful. Sure... Robert Downey Jr did it in a sense in Tropic Thunder, but that was a role not even parallel to White Chicks or the multitude of other Anti White innuendo's some blacks get away with. Sadly, we live in a world where races are protected not by their humanity but by the color of their skin - yet I do belive non handicap whites are the only race not protected by race crimes.. how is that 'fair.' That's like that Jenna 6 garbage.. it's ok cuz they were 'provoked' to attack that white kid, yet if 6 whites beat up 1 black... omg they would march.. (not like they didn't to FREE the kids because they for some reason thought it was ok to do this when someone calls u a naughty word lol).. we live in a world hidden behind racial tension that it will only cause people to hate eachother more. Next thing you know, some douche is gonna be a prick to a cop and refuse to follow instructions and get arrested for disorderly conduct, then cry foul and say the cops a racist - when the cops the most unracist person in the world teaching tolerance classes etc, then the president is gonna say something stupid like how badly the cops acted and make a stance on racist when it was the dudes fault for being a racist prick in the first place.. GOSH.. what's this world coming to? I fail to see how you pick this movie up as racist... it landed in Africa... and certain groups in it that practice a primitive religion did the same (not only to eachother) but to the aliens as well.. it didn't portray them as anything other than what they are... thats like showing a docuementary on voo doo people in New Orleans.. it's not racist if thats how they are... you are looking under this from under the microscope.. stop trying to be an Al Sharpton. Wanna see racism? Go have your white gf walk down MLK Blvd and see how far she gets.. and have a black chick walk down my neighborhood.. I bet she gets to the other end of the street without a scratch while your gf ends up in 2 suitcases with her ovaries spread across the map. Racism is a 2 way street son. God... u made me remember X Files 2.. what a horrible.... horrible movie... on the topic of horrible sequels.. I'm afraid to watch the 'made for dvd' DOnnie Darko one that's now at Walmart. Oh... and Drag Me to Hell is still a good movie no matter what anybody says. -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	You keep bringing up racism as if I was offended by solely the portrayal of the Nigerians. I have nothing vested in this movie, I just think it's an incredibly idiotic move to make a movie that is supposed to expose the tragedies of apartheid for blacks and it turns around and shows the vulgarity of black people. In fact, I only brought up racism in the first place because of your PM, everything else I have posted here has been about the theme being contradicted by idiocy which wouldn't even be realistic in the first place. Lexi, can you even find Nigeria on the map? It's like saying, the alien ship landed in Chile and it makes total sense that Mexicans are down there. Oh wait, I forgot, it would make sense to you because they're both brown people. (Also, I'm waiting on the joke about Mexican gardeners.) -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	Johannesburg is where the movie takes place. and yes.. nigerians are the highest population on the continent. http://www.mapsofworld.com/nigeria/information/population.html also nigerians are very populated in south africa http://allafrica.com/stories/200805211081.html http://www4.southafrica.net/nigeria/ http://www.africamasterweb.com/AdSense/NigerianDrugLordsKilledMyWife.html http://www.nigerianmuse.com/20090121090506zg/articles/re-examining-nigeria-s-relationship-with-other-africans so yes it makes perfect sense to have nigerians in south africa... ESPECIALLY criminals... Again... Nigerian.... criminals... or people... are not infrequent... to find.. in south... africa... and again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_Six,_Cape_Town btw.. "Nigerian People" played a big part in the above with prostitution rings etc... that part of the movie was perfectly parallel. oh and i like mexicans. just not cubans. ricans are 50/50. But you would find 'hispanics' in Chile.. and Mexico... just fyi. /swoosh edit - sorry for the typo's and fast response / anal raping. I am busy toking 14 chars around in WoW and 3 in daoc -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	Lexi, if you're going to post links and claim pwnage, you probably should read the articles first. Nothing in them mentioned anything about Nigerian roles during apartheid. If Nigerian's played a role in the apartheid, I can accept that it would make some sort of sense to me in the context of the theme (although it really wouldn't make sense, having metaphors for the other players, but keeping the Nigerian role literal). If. Prove it and I can accept it. -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria#Foreign_relations_and_military http://www.iss.co.za/Papers/28/Paper28.html and one for u http://www.post-trib.com/entertainment/1713438,district0814.article found a few more but most are essays in php format and opinions. also - wasn't the movie AFTER apatheid? i forgot but i swear it was 20 yrs later. -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	I'll check your links in a sec, but I'm pretty sure the entire movie was about apartheid... Those aliens weren't living in the shack-city voluntarily (as far as I understood it). -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	lol, again lexi, I clicked your link and the first thing that came up: "Upon gaining independence in 1960, Nigeria made the liberation and restoration of the dignity of Africa the centrepiece of its foreign policy and played a leading role in the fight against the apartheid regime in South Africa.[32] " edit: so there is no misunderstanding. The Nigerian role in South Africa was the good guys, they were the guys against the apartheid regime, so no, they were not exploiting South Africans. -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	sorry thought u meant real events... the nigerians played a role in apatheid.. some good some bad.. with district six as well. the movie was taken 20 years after district six i believe.. not instead of. so some lingered and the roles basically reversed. yes.. nigerians played a role in apatheid... both sides.. and no the nigerian military was the good guys... they had a very strong crime syndicate ther that were not fighting for the good but profited from corruption.. just like in the movie... the same goes for any country tho.. we all have our john walkers... regardless of whom we fight.. the movie did not depict all nigerians as primitives, but rathers the focus on the gang that attempted to control it.. much like what happened in the real movement down there. -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	Lexi, keep going, you're almost convincing me... I just need real proof. Everything you have linked so far that has mentioned Nigerians is either the Nigerians being anti-apartheid, or the corrupt criminal groups in the '90's. Like I said, if what you are presenting is true, I can accept it. Just show that it is. edit: and if you would do me the favor of quoting the (a) relevant parts of the links in the thread, it would save me from digging through a 20 page link just to see the information is far more recent than the apartheid period. -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	I'm confused now... are u saying that nigerian gangs had no play in apatheid and the movie portrayed that as false... and that they do not act like that or what? at first u said they were no in that period.. i proved that they were on both sides.. u then said nigerians were not in the area by your map contradiction... i proved that... so what are you saying now? that their behavioral charectoristics are that of helpers and peacekeepers during this time period? the links show gang violence pre and post that period.. and the large amount of population in that area prior to the events of d6... sorry for the typo's... arguing with idiots in and out of the game while doing av basically solo sigh. so we went from u trying to say they were portayed wrong to u saying there are no nigerians in south africa (like chile / mexicans) etc.. what's next? honestly.. is this your only soap box at this point? if u want me to go on their behavioral charectoristics in the movie.. a simple search on voo doo prostitutes of nigeria shows a nice many things. u took this way off topic... your arguement was aout how it wrongly portrayed blacks as animals in making a msg even tho u said "And I'm not arguing that this was being untrue to African gangs, but it's a bit counterproductive to portray them in such a way when trying to deliver such a strong moral." the movie portayed the nigerian gangs as violent and voo doo following cannabals.. which is often practiced in that belief... u went from that to history and geography.. .. step 1 steal under pants step 2 ? step 3 profit? /boggle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rncKWjakorA&feature=channel_page http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmrkTi3EHqk http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/congo1.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1199985/Now-goes-trial-Africas-cannibal-despot-Charles-Taylor-finally-just-deserts.html "He stands accused of masterminding one of the most macabre, blood-spattered episodes in African history. Helped by his teenage son 'Chuckie', Taylor allegedly orchestrated the slaughter of up to 250,000 people, many of whom were tortured and raped before being cooked and eaten by Taylor's troops. " so there... torture... cannabalism... and voo doo... all portrayed correctly... in the movie.. happy now? and i included 2 cool videos for u to watch also.. be sure to eat food while watching the first one tho haha -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	Lexi_Necrodiva posted: I'm confused now... are u saying that nigerian gangs had no play in apatheid and the movie portrayed that as false... and that they do not act like that or what? No, I am asking you to prove that Nigerian gangs were in South Africa during apartheid. Your links have failed to do so thus far. Lexi_Necrodiva posted: at first u said they were no in that period.. i proved that they were on both sides.. Where? Your link has only shown that the Nigerian's played a role as peace keepers and helped bring about the end of apartheid. Your other link has shown that Nigerian gangs were in South Africa in the 1990's, decades after apartheid was over. Lexi_Necrodiva posted: u then said nigerians were not in the area by your map contradiction... i proved that... You proved what? That Nigerians were in the area? My 'map contradiction' was supposed to pose the question of why the movie chose Nigerian gangs would travel across the continent. Lexi_Necrodiva posted: so what are you saying now? that their behavioral charectoristics are that of helpers and peacekeepers during this time period? No, I am asking you to show me, through your links and quotes, where Nigerians came to South Africa and committed atrocities against the apartheid blacks. Lexi_Necrodiva posted: the links show gang violence pre and post that period.. and the large amount of population in that area prior to the events of d6... If your argument is only that there were gangs in South Africa in apartheid, then there is no argument. If this is the case, my original argument still stands that they were stupid to choose blacks to be the gangs and to portray them as animalistic and barbaric - regardless of whether or not it was true. Why? Because the movie used metaphors for all other key players and factions to represent their point, and failed to do so for the most important part of the moral (for this movie), the black culture. Lexi_Necrodiva posted: so we went from u trying to say they were portayed wrong to u saying there are no nigerians in south africa (like chile / mexicans) etc.. what's next? honestly.. is this your only soap box at this point? I went from asking you to give me proof that Nigerians were in South Africa, committing atrocities during apartheid. I used the Chile / Mexico metaphor to show how far apart the two countries were... literally across the continent. Lexi_Necrodiva posted: if u want me to go on their behavioral charectoristics in the movie.. a simple search on voo doo prostitutes of nigeria shows a nice many things. Again, you convoluted the argument, and argue things that I never have said or contradicted. I know there are tribal beliefs in Africa, I know Nigerians have practiced them. But why add it to a movie when it only detracts from the theme? Again, whether or not they were basing the characteristics on reality is beside the point and irrelevant. It would be like making a movie about Jews during World War II, showing the encampments and then juxtaposing pictures and video of dead Palestinian children with Israeli soldiers standing and bombs dropped around them. You could point to historical fact or evidence all day, but the fact remains that any moral set up through the movie would be torn down by the contrasting images. This should not be that difficult of a concept to grasp. I think your views on blacks is clouding your ability to see simple analogies. Lexi_Necrodiva posted: u took this way off topic... your arguement was aout how it wrongly portrayed blacks as animals in making a msg even tho u said "And I'm not arguing that this was being untrue to African gangs, but it's a bit counterproductive to portray them in such a way when trying to deliver such a strong moral." the movie portayed the nigerian gangs as violent and voo doo following cannabals.. which is often practiced in that belief... There just are no words... it's like arguing with a two year old. Lexi_Necrodiva posted: u went from that to history and geography.. .. I brought up geography because you seem to think that all black people are the same. Oh, some stuff happened in Liberia, so it must be true throughout the continent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rncKWjakorA&feature=channel_page Title of that is: Albinos being murdered for voodoo rituals in Africa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmrkTi3EHqk This one is: The Cannibals' War - Liberia http://www.heretical.com/cannibal/congo1.html Where? the Congo? Yeah... that's South Africa alright! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1199985/Now-goes-trial-Africas-cannibal-despot-Charles-Taylor-finally-just-deserts.html Liberia? Hmm.. I guess they all are the same after all! Forget it Lexi. All you've done in this thread (moreso the PMs) has been to solidify my beliefs that you are a racist... and that you don't even know what it is. I still love you though, and I'm sure baby Jesus does too. -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	So they should have shown.. white gangs practicing voo doo eating the aliens? And no.. u states that the movie picked on black people by showing the gangs in there as ruthless barbarians... i said each race has it's own john walkers... and the links were showing u canabals.. and what they practice... which is what was practiced in that movie.. primitive voo doo... that involves canabalism... i doubt they could use asians or russians in that theme and it would make much sense.. yeah.. dr chang... in africa? wtf lol. perhaps u are the racist.. sharpton.. jackson.. rev wright.. and altra... boo hoo another movie 'da brotha' gets mocked in... (in his natural habitat btw), how dare they show that on tv? coulda been flint.. woulda been the same... not racist.. just go down the ruins of detroit.. bring a camcorder.. same thing. you're arguement is that in this movie of anti racism they portrayed blacks as dirty thus being racist in itself.. had they been white or yellow or dark tan would u have still bitched so much about it? perhaps this was not a movie about racism like u made it out to be, but rathers a weak man going through a traumatic change to sacrifice himself for a people he hates... like.. the last samurai? or was that racist to cuz it showed asians working on rice fields? you're the one who went into this movie not knowing what to expect and came out crying for 10 acres and a mule. "Theme of the movie - wikipedia" Like Alive in Joburg, the short film it's based on, District 9's setting is inspired by historical events that took place in South Africa during the apartheid, with the film's title particularly referencing District Six. District Six, an inner-city residential area in Cape Town was declared a "whites only" area by the government in 1966, with 60,000 people forcibly removed and relocated to Cape Flats, 25 kilometres away, for the next several decades.[4] The film also seems to refer to contemporary evictions and forced removals to new ghettos in post-apartheid South Africa.[5] This includes the high profile attempted force removal of Joe Slovo Informal Settlement in Cape Town to Temporary Relocation Areas in Delft and evictions in the shack settlement where the film was actually shot.[6] The theme of racism and xenophobia is reflected in the use of the word "prawn" to describe the aliens. The term "prawn" is used as a derogatory reference to the Parktown prawn, a king cricket species considered a plague in South Africa.[7] While the film clearly bears this social and cultural relevance, however, Copley said it wasn't the main focus in the work, and you could even miss it, but it would still work at an unconscious level.[8] - so u focus on whats not even meant to be the theme. also.. some are saying that district 9 is i the same time line as district six because in the movie they mention the destruction by prawns of the noovoyu chapel (which is the name of the district six museum and dedication area... so IF that is true.. perhaps htis movie just shows life and people as a full circle? like in the alien nation world where basically racism in the world died and they pointed their disgust to a new race? perhaps the theme is that there will always be hate, crime, and intolerance no matter what and history repeats itself? again - soorry for typo's in wintergrasp atm -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	* Main Entry: rac·ism * Pronunciation: \'ra-?si-z?m also -?shi-\ * Function: noun * Date: 1933 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination You, my friend, are a racist. Can I post your PM? Also, you seem to have some trouble with reading comprehension. -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	why bother, just look at my site... also while you are at it.. look how much i poke at paris hilton, the kardassian family, brittney spears, and the multitude of other whites... matter of fact.. i doubt there is 1 race i haven't mocked in some way... but omg.. i pick on blacks.. and it's over? LOL.. u sir are the racist.. i, pick on everyone equally and never hide the fact that i do.. i believe it's publicly shown in my signature and i do nothing to censor myself? gj pointing out that i pick on people... but instead of just QQ'ing for the hoods.. how about u take up the mantle for the dozens of others out there? be an equal opportunist son. oh also... i don't think my race is inherent superior... not with the trash amongst it.. i vote asian tbh LOL.. oh i also pick on people for their religious beliefs... i mean.. come on.. wanna break apart mormans? heh. point being.. i pick on everyone... what u have in your pm is nothing compared to what i've sent ot many people about every race.. again.. it's all in my sig pal, i hide nothing. do u? -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	When you have an issue with someone because of their skin color, that makes you a racist. It doesn't redeem you simply because other people piss you off too. Sorry, but nice try! -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	skin color, religious beliefs, hair color, skin tone, speech, accent, boob size, height, hair length, smell.. i hate people for many many many reasons... hell i even hate people born in utah for no reason... just that i hate utah.. again.. nice try.. what's your point honestly? getting your post count up by pointing things out that i never hide? that i hate a lot of people for many reasons? hurry up.. im about to chill and watch planet of the apes tonight... i like the old ones not the new ones.. to.. tim burtany for me.. anyways .. i adore u.. u r fun to play with when fishing in wow lol... hope your nite is well.. with love... me tomorrow i go see harry potter world hehe at islands of adventures.. its not open yet but i get to walk around <3 -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Altra_Shadowstalker Posts: 17,553 Registered: Jan 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 16,076 User ID: 616,837	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	Just annoying that you're obviously a racist and yet you can't admit it. Even more annoying is that I didn't bring up race as an issue, you did. You seem to not get over the fact that it was part of the movie, so I can't talk about it at all apparently without going all 'Sharpton.' So you keep arguing the same points over and over again, that never were even an issue... why bother actually discussing the movie any more? It's more fun to see you try to argue semantics. -----signature----- "Goddammit, Swearengen, I don't trust you as far as I could th'ow you, but I enjoy the way you lie." I don't typo often, but when I do, I blame Swype.
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	from the man who made the movie The theme of racism and xenophobia is reflected in the use of the word "prawn" to describe the aliens. The term "prawn" is used as a derogatory reference to the Parktown prawn, a king cricket species considered a plague in South Africa.[7] While the film clearly bears this social and cultural relevance, however, Copley said it wasn't the main focus in the work, and you could even miss it, but it would still work at an unconscious level.[8] perhaps u are focusing on the racism part..? it's not the main focus as he said.. and about his movie -i'd say he > u anyways baby cakes... im theme park hopping tommorow to disney and universal parks.. ill be sure to tell the lady during the jungle cruise to replace the black spear throwing cannibal's with white people to make altra happy. behave baby cakes! -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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	Lexi_Necrodiva posted: ill be sure to tell the lady during the jungle cruise to replace the black spear throwing cannibal's with white people to make altra happy. behave baby cakes! You dont have to replace them with whites.. just add some white spear chucking cannibals in with them.. although im sure they would screw it up and show the white people eating the other humans with a knife and fork. -----signature----- (none)
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	Hannibal Lector had good table side manners while eating that cop dudes brain haha. He even was polite enough to give him a piece of it haha. -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Fedup23 Posts: 2,271 Registered: Jul 14, '06 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 2,265 User ID: 1,155,204	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	Lexi_Necrodiva posted: Hannibal Lector had good table side manners while eating that cop dudes brain haha. He even was polite enough to give him a piece of it haha. Haha, OMG.. you are so right. If Hannibal Lechter would have been cast as a black dude, Hollywood would have named him Tyrone Washington and had him gnawing on a femur and washing it down with some Mad-dog 20/20 instead of sipping a nice Chianti. -----signature----- (none)
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Lexi_Necrodiva Posts: 9,313 Registered: Jan 10, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,872 User ID: 604,461	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	Don't stereotype... you don't need Hollywood for that... just take a video of a family in Flint, MI during the Kwanza feast.. 1 thing that I do find funny is that whenever theres a disaster movie that is out, Hollywood puts the President as black. Idiocracy, 2012, Deep Impact, 5th element, even season 3 with the bad guys running rampant in Heroes was with a black president. course... people will say that thats' true (not remember head of the state or the man being iconic movies) nor the fact that a lot of white Presidents were in charge of disaster movies to.. but the bad destructive movies with a black president at the helm outweigh the ones with a happy ending and lil to no destruction. racist hollywood! -----signature----- GM of Piracy & Fallen Eagles GM of Unguilded
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Fedup23 Posts: 2,271 Registered: Jul 14, '06 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 2,265 User ID: 1,155,204	Subject: Lexi would love District 9 (possible spoilers)
	hahah a black president.. yeah right.. uhh.. nm!! -----signature----- (none)
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