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Who will take care of Bobo
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In a way I am shocked, but in a way I am not. He was #3 in my death pool at work, so I won $25. I picked suicide tho.
Kinda sad.. I was looking forward to his 'comeback' tour.
Whats' funny is most news sites at this time are just saying 'rushed to the hospital' and 'heart attack' but yet on TV they got reports on 'non responsive' and 'passed away.'
So maybe he will pull a Jesus and moonwalk outta there.
Edit: is it a bad sign when like... 3 RIP posts are in the top 5 for #gawaine?
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Who will take care of Blanket?
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Who will rape and molest are young male children???!?!
Good bye and good riddance.
His being rich and famous didn't keep him from being a piece of garbage, he was just rich and famous piece of garbage. I can't believe he was able to pay to keep his children after we all know what he did. He's burning in hell as we speak.
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He had a stroke... at the exact time that the JOnas Brothers announced another 3D special tour....
coincidence?
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Guess he had enough
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As plastic as he was, perhaps they can melt him down and turn him into lego's so kids all over can play with him I'm sure he woulda wanted to go that way.
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I just read what time he actually died, 315pm, when the big hand touches the little hand.. :o
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Not that I ever side with Wacko Jacko, but he was a mentally troubled person, and while there is no excuse for what he did, you have to understand why it happened. You're talking about a family, that basically since the children were old enough to remember (especially MJ) events in their life, were thrown into the spotlight. There was no childhood, no growing up, no real learning...it was gig after gig, show after show, song after song, and every waking moment was dedicated to this pursuit. There was no free time, no time to socialize with other kids their age, no exposure to the outside world except what the parents/record producers/agents/etc (note: when they were still the jackson five, they spent every waking moment together and lived in hotels) wanted you to see. This is how your entire childhood is spent. This is how your entire teenage and formative years are spent. This is how your 20s are spent and even up all the way into your 30s. The only people you know are your family, your agents, your producers, and other celebrities. There is no grounding for you, no one to help guide you throw all these steps of right and wrong that one comes across growing up in a normal life. No one to protect you from bad influences or people who are only out to milk you for every penny you're worth.
During the course of this time you release hundreds of songs, win over a dozen grammys, and you can't go anywhere without getting mobbed to death. Finally, you reach a peak where you're not so big of a star that everyone demands every single second of your life and you've amassed a fortune. For the first time, you just get to start really living your own life and discovering yourself. Only, you haven't mentally progressed as a person because of the lifestyle you were essentially forced into. Musically, you're a genius, mentally, you're essentially still a child. So he did what children would do and dream of and lived as such. I'm sure he touched those boys, but it wasn't like he lured them into bed going 'hey little boy, you want some candy?!?' he probably played with them as a child would, and had sleep overs like children would, and as young children have been known to do, they explored each others bodies.
Does it make it right? Absolutely not, but you're assuming the fact that he was just as capable as you or me it what makes this so skewed. If it were two children who were doing it, you would reprimand them and teach them personal boundaries, it's part of growing up. And sadly, that's what Michael Jackson was. A 40 year old mentally repressed child. It's sad, twisted, and I honestly feel that we are all in a way responsible for this man's condition. But we hold celebrities in a different light, treat them as Gods sometimes, and refuse to see fault in them. Kid stars get it the worst because you suck them in at such a formative time in their life and it leaves them completely and utterly mentally scared.
No money in the world is worth that. RIP Jacko
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Even if you're right Guud, I'm not going to mourn his death. However repressed he was, however childlike he was, he knew right from wrong.
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Even if you're right Guud, I'm not going to mourn his death. However repressed he was, however childlike he was, he knew right from wrong.
but that's exactly what guud is saying.... he may not have known right from wrong... when you are removed from normal people with normal lives and normal values long enough, you can, and will, forget what normal is in every aspect of the word...
that being said, there are a few unforgivable sins in my book... anything against a child falls into that "unforgivable" category.
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I was 3 and wearing footed pajamas when I saw the Thriller premire (which scared the crap out of me btw).
Growing up in the 80's there was Micheal Jackson...and then everyone else (concerning music). There are people who make fun of him, but there was a point in his career where he was It...he was so much better than anyone else.
And then there was MJ in the 1990's + =X
But I still got him in my IPod =D
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As horrible as it was, I direct my anger more towards the parents. How do you let your child spend a night at the house of someone you don't know AT ALL??!!! They're just as responsible for what happened as MJ was, if not more so.
I have a hard time mourning people I don't really know, but it terms of what he did for the music industry, it's sad for the fact that one of the biggest innovators is gone.
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While I can understand what you are saying Guud, I still cannot excuse it. And the why implicates others as well. For the very same reasons you stated I cannot believe that nobody knew what was going on. He has to have security all over the place wherever he was, along with managers, and many others. So even if he didn't know right from wrong...they did.
As did the idiot parents that let their children go spend the night with him.
I am a parent, star or not my kids aren't going to spend the night with anyone I don't know and can't easily check up on. World is goofy enough and you run a risk even with some people you may know.
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As horrible as it was, I direct my anger more towards the parents. How do you let your child spend a night at the house of someone you don't know AT ALL??!!! They're just as responsible for what happened as MJ was, if not more so.
I totally agree, but I can try to explain the "how do you" part...
as mentioned before, MJ was, at one point, the most famous person in the world. the average person would never get a chance to even see someone that famous perform much less have a personal audience with him. in a word, they were starstruck. no this doesn't excuse a damn thing, but understand that being starstruck leads someone to do foolish and idiotic things.
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There was good and bad in MJ's death. The world lost an incredible talent, a truly amazing entertainer, but also became a safer place for people, especially children.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/26/jackson.presley.blog/index.html
[quote]Presley called Jackson "an incredibly dynamic force and power that was not to be underestimated."
"When he used it for something good, it was the best and when he used it for something bad, It was really, REALLY bad," she wrote.[/quote]
Guud's right, likely he knew, but didn't understand what was so very wrong what he was doing. Especially when his managers and security let it happen, giving consent through their silence. Parents gave their consent and silence with all the money he showered on them through their children, money often needed to support immense medical bills for their children. MJ chose his targets well, those who were sick and needy. It means he was an incredibly awful predator in my book.
I let my daughter listen to his music, because it was, and still is, good music. His music spans more than just the songs he performed, but you can hear his words and influence in other singer's music. The afternoon he died was the first time Deanna saw him on TV, I mean really saw him. She looked at the TV and said, "Yuck, that's a really UGLY woman.". "No dear", I replied, "that was Michael Jackson, and he's dead." "Why did he want to look like an ugly woman?" How do you respond to that? I mean, without crushing someone's innocence?
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but that's exactly what guud is saying.... he may not have known right from wrong... when you are removed from normal people with normal lives and normal values long enough, you can, and will, forget what normal is in every aspect of the word...
If he didn't know right from wrong (and touched little boys), he should have been hunted down like a wolf cub anyway. You're basically saying he had zero humanity in him.
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briq posted:
but that's exactly what guud is saying.... he may not have known right from wrong... when you are removed from normal people with normal lives and normal values long enough, you can, and will, forget what normal is in every aspect of the word...
If he didn't know right from wrong (and touched little boys), he should have been hunted down like a wolf cub anyway. You're basically saying he had zero humanity in him.
<-- not me.
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I've come to the conclusion that MJ's dad is a big piece of poop, even bigger than MJ
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Yeah, and guess where MJs kids are winding up.
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More future show ponies
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Farrah Fawcett died and appeared before GOD. GOD told her she could make one wish and he would grant it. She asked that he protect all the little children of the world and *POOF* Michael Jackson dropped dead.
people have made excuses for him his whole adult life. there are alot of people in the world that had fathers that were worse than his that grew up to lead normal lives.
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Pretty simple really..
None of you are involved, or were involved, how you can hate somebody you never met is disturbing. This is a symptom caused by the media. Let me put it this way:
These TV networks don't give a flying **** about you or me, let's get that out of the way first.
Second, they make absurd tons of money just for the brainless/bored watching their crap.
Third, you have an easily exploitable system in place allowing them to make themselves even more rich:
[MJ is not well known, but starts gathering a fan base. These networks look and see this, they start to keep an eye on him.
MJ explodes and becomes a world-wide star, and the networks are there to see it, and there to make money off of it.
MJ falls from fame(as all who are famous do) and the networks decide he's not worth their time anymore, and take their focus off of him.
MJ is accused by some desperate parents of a sick boy of committing unspeakable acts, and guess what? The network is there to show you all.
MJ dies, and the network is there to show you everything about him and exploit the living shit out of him for money.]
The only question is, why do you all believe it? Did you see it? No. You just all feel like you have to weigh in and give your opinion, and like you have a right to because the media prods at you for it. I wonder how you would feel if everyone who didn't do jack **** compared to you would run around judging you? It's just so easy for you to hate this guy because he was a star. I don't know if it's jealousy or not that fuels your hate but I'm not the one to judge anyway. 
If he did what people say/claim, then for shame.
But none of you even have an ounce of proof, other than what your "gut" tells you. As if that is right? "I just know." ? what a crock of ****.
All that is certain of Michael Jackson is that what he did to the musical world will never be forgotten, and has changed it forever. He was THE best performer of the last century(at least).
Bear in mind that I'm not saying he did or didn't do whatever people think, I am simply saying, "Who are we to say?". My personal feeling is that if he did wrong, then he should pay for it. If he didn't, then RIP. To quote Guud's earlier post: "It's sad, twisted, and I honestly feel that we are all in a way responsible for this man's condition."
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Yeah .. MJ didnt know right from wrong.. thats why he liquored up his VICTIMS with Jesus juice and had a panic button in case anyone was coming.. nope.. he didnt know right from wrong, he was just innocently exploring his playmates bodies.
...and uh.. my 12 year old buddies and I never explored each others bodies..
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Yeah the exploring bodies thing doesn't exactly resonate with me either.
You saw this panic button? Rofl
You're believing stories that made a news corporation a shitload of money, think about it?
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Yeah the exploring bodies thing doesn't exactly resonate with me either.
You saw this panic button? Rofl
You're believing stories that made a news corporation a shitload of money, think about it?
It was part of the prosecutions case against him.. he had an alarm that rang when anyone approached his bedroom. I suppose they planted the blood in OJs Bronco too...
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That's strange, but proves nothing. Nice try though, I'm beginning to see why he was found not guilty.
And uh, who mentioned the OJ case? Good deflection, bro.
(PROTIP: Deflection is a sign of a losing argument.)
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That's strange, but proves nothing. Nice try though, I'm beginning to see why he was found not guilty.
And uh, who mentioned the OJ case? Good deflection, bro.
(PROTIP: Deflection is a sign of a losing argument.)
I wasnt deflecting, there is a similarity in the amount of evidence vs acquittal. It was being used as a comparison , not a deflection. Doesnt matter, both are where they should be and the world is safe again!
What argument was I losing? I dint even know I was IN an argument!?
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the world is safe now? let me go play in the streets then!
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the world is safe now? let me go play in the streets then!
Let me rephrase..
If your pre-teen kids are used to having sleepovers and spooning with a 40year old world renown entertainer.. they are probably now safe.
If you once dated OJ and you are thinking about dating again, you are probably safe.
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The faster they dump Jackson in the ground the better. I am so ashamed of the news corps for covering this as if it is real legitimate news. Im pissed that congress had a moment of silence for the guy.
What I DONT get, seriously, are the people that are crying over this stuff, the memorial, etc. I think these people have serious mental instability issues. 95% of these people devastated by the death of jackson, seriously did they even give a rats ass about him 2 weeks ago? Probably not.
THese people that are devastated, why? he hasnt done jack for 10+ years, all the stuff they are feeling nostaligic about, these songs are still on their iPod. I dont get why they really are sad.
Aside from the fact they need a hobby.
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You cannot defend a person’s actions because they were talented, they still knew right from wrong. Let us not forget that the charges were dropped in his case due to him paying the family off and settling for an undisclosed amount out of court. Is that something that somebody innocent would do? Sounds like a bribe to me. Yes, the man made terrific music, but a there are sides of him we will never know. The one thing that makes me mad is the people whom accept what he did and say it’s because he didn’t have a childhood – well what about all the others out there in his family and other child actors deprived of a childhood? You don’t hear about them much. Just because Michael Jackson was a great singer doesn’t mean he was not a pedophile, and just because OJ was a decent athlete, and found innocent in a court of law – does not mean he really did not commit the crimes. I think about 80% of the people out there believe OJ is guilty. Am I sad by his death? Eh.. a tad because I wanted him to release his new songs and redo thriller like he announced he would do. But am I in tears over it like I was when Steve Irwin died? Nah. I think I was more bummed over David Caradines death, not cuz I liked him – cuz I didn’t, but because he died 2 weeks after they pushed forth the script for the Kill Bill Prequel .
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i wish it would all just go away. they are acting like christ died and the world is coming to an end because of it.
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they did the same thing with the wrinkly old pope.
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"The one thing that makes me mad is the people whom accept what he did and say it’s because he didn’t have a childhood – well what about all the others out there in his family and other child actors deprived of a childhood? You don’t hear about them much."
They were all older than Michael, they were also never a 1/10 as famous as he was. All of their careers fizzled out after the Jackson 5, with the exception of maybe Janet. So they almost all got to return to a semi-normal life and every single one of them has mental issues. And childhood actors, for the most part, end up never being able to have a career once they get past childhood and have severe mental issues the rest of their life.
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Did you see the interview with his dad when he just started talking about his new recording studio? It was like he went "oh yeah and also I have this new recording studio...." wtf what a weird ass guy!
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I will remember him for his cool dance move and music. Billie Jean, Smooth Criminal, Thriller and many more.
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torii_T posted:
Did you see the interview with his dad when he just started talking about his new recording studio? It was like he went "oh yeah and also I have this new recording studio...." wtf what a weird ass guy!
LOL I saw an interview with his father where he went on about what a tragic loss it was because he was the "greatest" performer" ever etc....never once did he indicate a sadness for the loss of a son.
As far as the memorial goes, I was forced to hear it as wife watched it while I was on the computer. Made me want to vomit hearing people excuse his actions. The one black congresswoman basically getting racial (As it seems there is a tendency to do with black policitians, QQ) and the "Maybe now they'll leave you alone" comment by his brother, what a joke. Maybe now he'll leave 12 yr old boys alone is more like it.
And to the ones defending him, don't act like the one case is the only time he was accused of it. Matter of fact, in regards to the excuse of not having a childhood, from most reports he tried everything he could to take advantage or another child star who lacked a childhood, and who knows maybe mess him up along the way. Did he succeed? Probably only him and McCualkin know.
I was very pleased that the resolution was shot down in the legislature. Although I was dissapointed at the reason given, stating that his fame and importance was already widely known and no resolution was necessary. Instead of the truth that the U.S. government would rather not have an official resolution honoring a pervent out there.
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Guud, you make many good points, some of which I've made myself in conversations since his death.
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