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Do they use the same formulas as the tinkering calculator page (http://www.code-poets.org/tinkering.html)?
If so does anyone know the M value for green garnet and are any other values missing?
If not does anyone know the formulas being used?
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The salvage type difficulty modifier value for Green Garnet is 12, the same as mahogany.
I believe the formula used is identical, but I can only guess since I only have access to Craftbot's source.
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Hi,
Thank you very much for the answer!
If you don't mind a follow-up question, are there any other salvages missing on the tinker calc page?
BTW - you can see the formula used on that page by looking at it's source code with Internet Explorer under the View/Source menu option. It's a very simple/elegant program and even though I mostly know VB, I understood it without a problem so I'm sure it'll be very easy for you. I just copied the equations from there as well as the values for my spreadsheet.
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Cleaner - if you stumble around google or some of the other fan sites, you will find all sorts of links to the "math" behind the calculations. Green Garnet was the newest latest added salvage which is why its missing from alot of the "older" sites.
My guess would be that anything thats similar is the same as something existing... sort of like how Green Garnet is the same value as Hog. They both add a damage bonus to a "weapon". Missle and Melee switch I bet also shares the same value in the math.
Hope this is helpful
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Yep, that's how I found the formula, but I couldn't find green garnet anywhere. I didn't realize it was just added though so thank you for explining that. My calculator/spreadsheet I believe is now complete unless other salvages are missing too.
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But can any spreadsheet be complete if you don't add the math for weapon tinkering? 
don't mind me, your initial post got me thinking about making a spreadsheet but I am shall we say math challenged
And no chance of success math would truly be complete without the options for beers, majors, brill, epic buffs, rares, and the few buffing items in game that add a couple more points here and there... not to mention the extra 5% aug...
I imagine a spreadsheet where people could input the few "local" tinkerer's skills and then plot out the best course of success for tinkering...
someday soon I hope we see an ingame decal plugin that does the math and sorts the salvage to be handed in the right order... and makes life a little easier... cause thats what decal should do is make everything a little easier...
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Who said my spreadsheet doesn't have the math for weapon tinkering  It includes skill, buffs and even armor level
The beers etc are all included in the skill level entered, so that's covered too.
Craftbot automatically sorts the salvage in the right order so that's covered too
What I haven't done but have been tempted but too lazy to do is add them to my character and skill calculator which you can see/download at www.dereth.info
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See and here I was trying to get a copy of the spreadsheet
As to sorting the salvage, Craftbot is an amazing tool... I know I helped beta...
But for me, on dialup, it was a pain to try and set myself up because I'm werid I actually play my tradeskiller as my main. And shifting items back and forth to be ready was maddening.
So I do 99% of my crafting with MakeIt! and my tinkering on my tinkerer (another played character)is alot of hit or miss with the chance turned on.
There used to be a tinkering plugin that scanned salvage and let you select them to be applied in order and showed the chances all at once... I miss that.
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If you want a copy of the spreadsheet, all you had to do was ask PM me and email address and I'll get it to you. I'm UA though so it doesn't have Bow or Wand although I suspect the relationships are the same as the equations are not all that different.
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If I can add Bow and Wand to the sheet would you mind if I made it publicly available?
Anything to help with tinkering would be a boon to the community I am willing to bet.
wubbie
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