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locked, degraded to bash fest
Anyone know of one?
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it used to be lod
(log on death)
Bust out those search engines, here is one place to check:
http://acheaven.buwahaha.com/
tons of them used to circa 2003
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awesome question..and log on unfriendly detect? ;p
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And log on low comps? :P Lol that was a lame update to LTX the only thing it does is screw up fellow XP more, I could care less if I don't log on death or comps I am no drop and 5 VP is 1 dark island trophy so who cares, although very lame for people who are at keys.
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Well I don't want it for UCMing. I want it because when I PK I don't like to die, and if I die I normally just log off. So I want a program that will log me off when I die PKing so I can just start playing Hello Kitty ASAP.
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I'd laugh if any of the idiots here said the name of their logging plugin..Paraduck is probably lurking these type of threads looking for another plugin to add to their list of blacklisted plugins.
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<<I'd laugh if any of the idiots here said the name of their logging plugin..Paraduck is probably lurking these type of threads looking for another plugin to add to their list of blacklisted plugins.>>
so true.
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I'm wondering why they don't save themselves the trouble and just ban the use of lifetank with ANY other plugins.
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^ this coming from a plugin author is funny LOL
I thinking the same thing
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Quack is a log on death plugin. =D I don't use it so doesn't bother me.
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>> ^ this coming from a plugin author is funny LOL
Yeah, well, I figure the more ridiculous they made it the more the incentive for someone else to release another competing macro plugin.
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why don't you update the old plugin?
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I don't see what taking the log off options are doing to stop ucm. Honestly the only thing it does is screw the people over that are at keys cause they have dead macros at the lifestone. And Para only did it because him and his clan mates are all 275 now that use it so they figured it was time to take the features out. Someone on MT got his follower killed at least 20 times at dark island lifestone for butchering the plugin like this.
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Celtic and Para live in their own little world. Lacking in what I like to call "common sense".
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kinslayer: I disagree.
I think they have a lot of Common Sense in that they know what Turbine does and does not want. They have foresight into what is and is not good for the game overall.
If other developers would have had the same foresight 5 or 6 years ago, we wouldn't be in the predicament we're in now.
I think all the whiners complaining they lose functionality need to take a long hard look at their playstyle and what exactly their accomplishment and goal of playing Asheron's Call is.
Paraduck and C'Relic made these changes to help curb a significant problem of UCMs in Asheron's Call. It might be a bit late, but they are still making an effort. I don't care of LifeTank was originally designed specifically to be UCM. It is no longer in the hands of those players. Once the code leaves their hands, the control of that goes with it. Paraduck and C'Relic are the only maintainers that have a working version of LifeTank available to the public. Take it or leave it, you're stuck with what they give you until you make your own. Good luck.
The point of the matter is, UCM is against CoC regardless of how you personally feel about it, or the current state and condition of the game dictates. UCM is still in the CoC as a violation. Turbine HAS attempted in the past to curb some of the UCM problems through the removal of "detectable admin tells" and other things which were promptly defeated. Doesn't mean they like Admin Detection just because they can't get rid of it. Turbine has attempted to remove Admin Alarms, Decal Developers have attempted in the past to remove Admin Alarms. Paraduck and C'Relic see this, so therefore, they removed Admin Alarms from LifeTank. It is against Turbine's wishes.
So everyone yelling and complaining and gnashing your teeth at Paraduck and C'Relic need to take a look at your playstyle and find out how this personally affects you. Chances are, you're playing in a manner against Turbine's wished. You can attempt to play it off however you want.. "I was ACM" or whatever, but you know inside just as well as I do that your actions are bordering on illegal. I blame Turbine for creating content to spur on macroing and for not properly enforcing or specifying their direct wishes in the CoC. I blame the original developers of Public Combat Macros for their lack of fore-sight into the problem. And finally, I blame the users of these macros for not having the morality to know that what they're doing is wrong, against Turbines wishes, and ultimately harming the game that so many people love so deeply. Agree with me or not, it's hard to argue that macroing hasn't directly ruined the game.
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The original developers of those plugins made them when UCM was allowed, players UCMed when it was allowed, and those players are going to want to UCM now even if it isn't allowed. If the blame goes on anybody for the major cause of it, it should be Turbine for allowing it in the first place. Maybe if it didn't take well over two months of PLAYING TIME to hit max level for the average player, it wouldn't be as much of an issue.
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>> Maybe if it didn't take well over two months of PLAYING TIME to hit max level for the average player, it wouldn't be as much of an issue.
What if the max level were 9999999999999999? Would people be justified in hacking the server because that is the only way to achieve it?
Sorry, my views on macroing are mixed, but that argument is just flawed.
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Eps: and you are very short-sighted.
UCM was only "allowed" because it wasn't specifically disallowed. It was before Turbine ever thought there would be a UCM problem. By the time they realized it was becoming a problem, the cat was already out of the bag, and a lot of the damage had already been donw.
Sure there were exploits on Turbine's part that compounded the issue, and I DO put most of the blame of the current condition on them, but with proper fore-sight and ethical guidelines, this wouldn't have been an issue.
The first macros weren't created to gain millions of XP an hour. They were created as a programming challenge in AI. It was to see "if it could be done" and how hard it would be. The developers of the time had a slightly higher ethical background and weren't doing it to exploit the system, but instead as a way to further themselves personally (not in game). This slowly leaked out to the exploiters, and the people who were only in it for personal gain. They wanted to exploit every hole imaginable, and get an advantage in any way possible. They released the macros to more and more people within their group creating a new form of competition.
Some other developers with even LESS fore-sight saw this problem and felt left out, and wanted to be an advocate for the "normal player", so he created and publically released a macro which EVERYONE could use. He wasn't going to leave anyone out. And to this was born the UCM problems of today. The general public with NO ethical training on this subject were given access to untold powers and riches beyond their wildest dreams... of course they're going to take advantage of that. It's like having a genie which will grant you wishes. He made all their gaming dreams come true for the casual gamer.
It was about this point when Turbine started to really take notice and realize that there was a problem, but as I said, the damage had long been done already. It was too late for Turbine to do much about it other than create more high-level content to appease the complaining inflated high level players (who got there through macroing, exploiting, or otherwise). And that complaining and appeasing has never stopped since. The players get artificially higher levels, and complain to Turbine about lack of content, so Turbine caves in and creates more high-level content to appease them. It's a never ending cycle created because some people lacking fore-sight and ethics decided to exploit the systems for personal gain.
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why would anyone play a game if it wasnt for personal gain/satisfaction? thats what some call fun and its up to turbine to police THERE game
i could care less about the logout features (i run tradebots not ucm) but i in no way see any good to come of these changes untill someone releases a new ucm or takes over ltx
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why would anyone play a game if it wasnt for personal gain/satisfaction?
Not everyone considers that fun. I know some people who use AC mainly to chat.
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"why would anyone play a game if it wasnt for personal gain/satisfaction? thats what some call fun and its up to turbine to police THERE game"
People can play for personal gain and satisfaction. The problem comes when people don't realize that exploiting the system and cheating hurts everyone else. It is when you put your own personal gain above the welfare of the game and the other players.
That's partially what all games are about. Leveling, progressing, getting more loot, etc.. that's what most games, especially MMOs, are based upon. The difference is when it crosses the line from being what the game is about, to exploiting and gaining an unfair advantage.
Also... Turbine SHOULD police THEIR game, but I also believe the players should have enough morality to police themselves. Think about a world where we wouldn't NEED police to enforce laws. If people knew right from wrong and acted accordingly. Unfortunately that is not the case, and as such, Turbine is short staffed to handle the policing problem themselves. That's when people like Paraduck and C'Relic, and the Decal Developers step in to help enforce the laws clearly written by Turbine. It is up to everyone as upstanding citizens to know the difference between right and wrong and act upon it. If you personally don't see a problem with UCM, then that would be part of the problem.
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"Paraduck and C'Relic made these changes to help curb a significant problem of UCMs in Asheron's Call. It might be a bit late, but they are still making an effort. I don't care of LifeTank was originally designed specifically to be UCM. It is no longer in the hands of those players. Once the code leaves their hands, the control of that goes with it."
2002 called they want their anti UCM argument back.
it is now 2007 and UCM is hardly a problem, you want a problem? piss off the UCM community, to the point where they quit this game. then you have your self a problem much like the problem the AC2 crowd got in to..
anyone that wants to hunt for xp can these days the server pop is so low and the high yielding xp dungeons are so many, that no one should have a problem hunting. a UCM / ACM (its all the same too me) hardly will degrade your playing experience these days.
i understand you have been anti ucm for so long that its hard to open your eyes and see what is going around you currently but UCM /ACM player base is what keeps this game alive these days, run them out and you run your self out.
"I don't care of LifeTank was originally designed specifically to be UCM. It is no longer in the hands of those players. Once the code leaves their hands, the control of that goes with it. Paraduck and C'Relic are the only maintainers that have a working version of LifeTank available to the public. Take it or leave it, you're stuck with what they give you until you make your own. Good luck. "
id like to see how you would feel about someone taking over your work and doing a 180 and taking it in a UCM friendly way. yea you wouldn't like it much would you? your statement about now they got the source and they can do what they want with it is ignorant.
the features stripped out of LT are trivial to release(publicly since there is private ones ) as a stand alone plugin. killbit is not secure. the way LT detects other plugins is also not secure( i can have skunkworks running beside LTxi right now if i wanted since its open source ) and if a person got fed up with how you guys are behaving and happend to make his plugin public, you would not be a happy camper luckily ive never agreed to releasing combat macros to the general public and id rather see these guys stop working on LT then to degrade it in to a craptank elgar use to give to these guys.
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the way LT detects other plugins is also not secure( i can have skunkworks running beside LTxi right now if i wanted since its open source )
Yeah, I know. Our goal isn't to stop everyone from using the feature's we'd remove, but to stop most people from using it. Besides, if you have the knowledge and ability to get around the checks, you likely have the ability to write your own plugin, script, or whatever to implement the features we've removed.
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"id like to see how you would feel about someone taking over your work and doing a 180 and taking it in a UCM friendly way. yea you wouldn't like it much would you? your statement about now they got the source and they can do what they want with it is ignorant. "
That is the EXACT reason I would never hand my code off to someone else. The developers of LifeTank DID hand the code out to everyone... partially because it was leaked, and partially because they didn't want to maintain it or own it any longer. That was their "mistake" if you want to put it that way. And to make sure my work isn't abused, I don't release it. Although I'd support anyone making changes to it at that point if it were in line with what Turbine wanted and showed.
Until TURBINE says otherwise, UCM is not allowed. Regardless of how YOU personally feel about it, UCM is against the CoC. I don't care that "everyone does it", or that "ac would die without UCM"... the fact of the matter is, UCM IS STILL against the CoC.
Ultimately, your opinion really makes little difference overall to the development community until TURBINE listens to your opinion and does something about it (in either way). Turbine says UCM is against the CoC. Turbine has shown their displeasure of Admin Alarms on multiple occasions. What more do you need to know that it is illegal to UCM, and that you should not be doing it?
Also.. you can all threaten to quit all you want. I honestly think that if enough old players found out that there were no more UCM's they'd re-subscribe. UCMs are actually the reason that the server populations are so low to begin with. The servers dying is because of YOU. You may be what is keeping AC alive currently, but you're also the parasite that is killing it.
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"Until TURBINE says otherwise, UCM is not allowed. Regardless of how YOU personally feel about it, UCM is against the CoC. I don't care that "everyone does it", or that "ac would die without UCM"... the fact of the matter is, UCM IS STILL against the CoC."
long long time ago in a galaxy far away UCM was not against the CoC what so ever. however the anti ucm crowd had a lot to say about it, every time the UCM crowd pointed out that macroing was NOT against the CoC you guys just kept on complaining till you got it your way. while the Shoe might be on the other foot now the concept of letting your voice be heard untill it finally gets through the devs heads hasnt. just like you guys would not stop complaining about combat macros back then you shouldnt expect us to now either.
"Ultimately, your opinion really makes little difference overall to the development community until TURBINE listens to your opinion and does something about it (in either way). Turbine says UCM is against the CoC. Turbine has shown their displeasure of Admin Alarms on multiple occasions. What more do you need to know that it is illegal to UCM, and that you should not be doing it?"
My opinion does make a difference just like your opinion made a difference when UCM got outlawed. game devs tend to cow to the want of the general public and there is a hell of a lot of UCM users these days than there are anti ucm players. On my old server Wintersebb, even some of the most anti macro people that still play "actively" have adopted a live and let live attitude towards people that ucm, heck they even level in the same fellow with UCM's. its like that on a lot of servers maybe you should log in and play the game "actively" a little and see for your self. as to what more do i need to know how UCM is illegal? game CoC's change more than you change underwear. its not written in stone and what is allowed (combatmacros) is outlawed the next and what is outlawed (combatmacros) can be made Legal the next its just a matter of who cries the loudest at the time for the devs to listen to them. if enough people stand up and keep pressuring for the UCM rule in the CoC to be changed back, it will be, that is how you guys changed it after all remember ??
"Also.. you can all threaten to quit all you want. I honestly think that if enough old players found out that there were no more UCM's they'd re-subscribe. UCMs are actually the reason that the server populations are so low to begin with. The servers dying is because of YOU. You may be what is keeping AC alive currently, but you're also the parasite that is killing it."
i havent seen where i said im threatening to quit ? any change made to lt doesn't affect me. however when they did take out the log on death feature half of darktide was about to quit. also while you might think of combat macro users as parasite's what realy lead to the down fall of AC was the devs changing fundamental aspects of the game. while i might agree with you the reason why AC lost some new subs might have been because the game was viewed as a Hacked game, but the hack they were talking about was decal it self NOT just combat macros. i will also bet AC has lost more subs because of the Xp chain nerf and UCM CoC change than any anti macro player quitting because of them. i can respect your view but in my veiw the "parasite" that killed this game are the ones that complained about these issues till they were nerfed and ultimately killed this game.
as to anti UCM players coming back to this game if every combat macro was removed from this game, i think you need a reality check AC is one big grind and no one is going to come back and manually level too 275 , i know what you are going to say people would come back for the community, well what you forget is that those people most likely are part of a new community called world of warcraft why would they down grade to ac where 10-20 people might be logged on at the time (remember this is on a server with no acm/ucm online). every time someone posts how they miss ac and the old days they are reminded by players that have just came back to just remember those days and dont think you can come back and relive them the past belongs in the past and AC is no where what it was 7 years ago.
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Para and Crelic,
I'm going to release a version of skunkworks that will run beside LT(for those that don't have the know how) just because both of you are hypocrites and won't admit it. If you admit your liers and stop being an asshats I will consider not doing it.
You have 5 days, to say your sorry to the AC community as whole and to the people that use SW for NON UCMING or Macroing Reasons.
Elwood wins this thread.
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And as soon as you release that version they add it to the ban list. Users have to build their own version, and don't worry about doing it yourself only if Paraduck and Crelic admit something, I'll be doing it no matter what.
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/e wonders if this falls under baiting, and how the community would react to multiple versions of the same plugin being publicly avilable.
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Eps they would have to release a new version of LT everytime if it works like Decal does(updating memlocks). If it comes down to it I'll just make a write up on how to do it and people can do it themselfs.
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As much as you guys hate what is happening to Lifetank, attempting to get around the restrictions imposed by the maintainers (and stated in the EULA) is the wrong approach. By threatening to do this, you will turn people against you who weren't before.
It is one thing to argue about what features something should have, but it is a completely different thing to talk about violating the license agreement (pirating the software).
Oh, and also, you're just pushing them to do what I mentioned already: block ALL other decal plugins, or create an 'allow list' rather than a 'deny list'.
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All I would be doing is changing SW's not LT. Hell I would not even be using it, I don't need to macro... I'm Loaded to the teeth with MMD's, I have 3 lv 275's and 1 tricked out tinker toon. 5 major suits...I don't need to macro or worry about the changes they made. Its the fact that they have a special version for themselves and act all high and mighty.
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Running Lifetank in a manner forbidden by the license agreement is piracy.
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If it really comes down to it. I'll take the old code I have somewhere on my computer and work on it for a few months. Its something I didn't really want to do but these guys are a total joke. I'm on the same time constrains para and crelic are in. No life with work and school. But hell if gets rid of them as runners or LTx it would make my day.
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Paraduck how can I be cool like you. Please let me run Lifetank so i can be so cool.
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"Running Lifetank in a manner forbidden by the license agreement is piracy."
i don't know what backwards law you guys have in the U.S but where im from you can not tell people what software they can or can not run on their PC along with yours. how would you feel if Microsoft put in the EULA that you could only play Games Developed by MS on Xp or Vista ?
no self respecting decal Dev / plugin Dev has tried to outlaw the use of other plugins. matter of fact back when the whole uproar about Eltank was going on, many plugin devs were doing such things and it was Highly flamed and discouraged by the Decal Devs including the most vocal one these days Drakier. i dont know why all of a sudden its ok to do such practice.
Who died and made these guys the Law on which plugin use is "ok" and what inst?? was there a secret meeting i missed ?? not to mention the programs they banned have more "legit" use than the one or two scripts wrote for it that arent. even Elgar knew better to not add things to his plugin that would make the end users more annoyed.
everyone knows these sort of tactics does NOT prevent anything it only pushes things behind the secen. plugins being released secretly to people, that have password stealing code in them. at least when things are out in the open people can ask here if the said plugin is safe to use.
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MT_Gouru who wrote "sort it", his plugins won't work if LTx is active. But hey I can respect that because LTX can be used for UCMing, something he disagrees with.
SW and ACtools are used for alot more then just warbot(which i tried a couple years back and didn't like) or what eps wrote.
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MT_Gouru isnt exactly someone i would call a "self repsecting dev" the guy loves to troll and get people all worked up over nothing, then sit back and laugh at it all. i give him this though he is good at what he loves to do =)
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I have never had issue with Gouru ever or how he runs his plugins
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<< MT_Gouru who wrote "sort it", his plugins won't work if LTx is active. >>
I didn't think he checked for other plugins, just requests as part of his EULA that you don't run any plugins capable of UCM'ing while using his plugins.
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"I didn't think he checked for other plugins, just requests as part of his EULA that you don't run any plugins capable of UCM'ing while using his plugins. "
no he is too smart to try and enforce something like that, too me it just looked like he was bored one day and did that to get the boards heated up. something he has done many many times over the years here =)
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I dunno I have always respected his ELUA...never had a problem with it.
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