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locked, degraded to bash fest
I do not encourage or advise use of this plugin in a way that is against the CoC or ToS for Asheron's Call: Throne of Destiny.
EPS Macro Assist v1.0
Profile Management
Load and save profiles for different settings
Pause the macro at any time
Enable/Disable the Relogger. this will log you back in after X minutes(user defined in file), and press ctrl-f1 once you are logged back in.
Enable At Start
Stealth- Logs off if a player not on friends/allegiance lists is detected.
Allegiance Stealth - logs off even if a member of your allegiance comes near.
Fellow Stealth- logs off when a player in fellow detects an enemy player (and is running this plugin also)
Log on death - logs off if you die
Auto resume- Unpauses macro automatically after X minutes (user defined in file). No more pausing your macro or leaving the log feature off and dying at the LS over and over!
Chat Alert
Detected players - Copies player info into the chat box if a player comes by
Settings changes - shows changes in the macro settings in chat box.
Sound Alert
Death- Plays a sound file when you die
Players - Plays a sound file when a player comes by
Stealth - Plays a sound file when a player comes by that isn't on your friends list, if you have stealth mode enabled(relogger), and you log off because of it.
Envoy - Plays a sound if an envoy comes near.
Test Envoy Alert - tests the sound file so you can see if your sound alert files work.
Again, as long as you are attended and don't use this plugin to break the CoC or ToS, it is allowed.
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so where is the link to the plugin?
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my thread got edited and deleted and locked and unlocked on two seperate threads before the mods finally decided that my posting wasn't against and rules...
It's just a teaser pic and I'm looking for feedback on how it looks.
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I like the feature where it will log someone if they die and are standing around at the lifestone VERY much.
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Looks good to me, just need to test it for functionality.
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I'm a little bit confused on how this plugin ISN'T supposed to be for breaking the CoC, when all of the features I'm looking at do nothing but aide people breaking the CoC.
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as draiker said the envoy CLEARLY is against Turbine's wishs.
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It's still being discussed as far as I know. I made a judgement call to find out exactly what the rules were before I wanted to let this thread continue. But right now, until I hear otherwise, as long as nothing is being used to intentionally circumvent the Code of Conduct then the discussion can live.
Decal's code on the other hand I can't enforce, but that's up to them.
There was a reason I did what I did last night... we've been through this song and dance before I was a mod and started a riot. I wasn't about to let history repeat itself and have to deal with a big fight over nothing at 11pm last night. I wanted to make sure the rules were clarified to both of us, though it could change.
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yeah.. not to start a huge debate or anything, but I fail to see the reason behind things like:
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Enable/Disable the Relogger. this will log you back in after X minutes(user defined in file), and press ctrl-f1 once you are logged back in.
Stealth- Logs off if a player not on friends/allegiance lists is detected.
Allegiance Stealth - logs off even if a member of your allegiance comes near.
Fellow Stealth- logs off when a player in fellow detects an enemy player (and is running this plugin also)
Log on death - logs off if you die
Auto resume- Unpauses macro automatically after X minutes (user defined in file). No more pausing your macro or leaving the log feature off and dying at the LS over and over!
Death- Plays a sound file when you die
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if the player is supposed to be ACM or even THERE at all.
Leaving the Envoy stuff out of it, it should be pretty obvious when a player dies if they are watching.
There is no reason short of UCM that they need "Log on death", "Relogger", and "Auto Resume". We aren't talking about Buffbots or tradebots here.. we're talking about combat macros.
The "stealth" stuff is a bit iffy as I can see running a plugin to tell you if someone near you is in the allegiance or friends list, but auto-logoff for either still screams UCM to me, as if you had that capability, and outputted to screen, the player could make up their own mind (were they actually attending their macro).
"Death- Plays a sound file when you die" ... come on ... you can't be serious!
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combat macros are clearly used to automate combat macro without the user having to doing anything, the combat part of UCM is the bad one, you can be unattended and macroing and not be breaking any rules.
my macro is used to automate logging off from pks (this is by far the most used tactic to get away from somebody not yet attacking you). as well as the logging back in and restarting the macro, just as somebody doing it themselves would do. It has alarms to tell the user what's happening, no point in having a sound file play if the user isn't there to hear it.
If anything is being discussed and going to be decided against the rules on the forums, it should be the combat part of macroing, lifetank, warbot, el tank related posts, etc. My macro doesn't break any rule unless you use it combined with a combat program AND you are unattended.
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Leaving the Envoy stuff out of it, it should be pretty obvious when a player dies if they are watching.
Lifetank has an on death sound life. warbot has an on death sound file. el tank had one as well I believe. Either point out all macros with the feature, or don't point out any. if it's ok for them it d@$( well better be ok for mine.
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There is no reason short of UCM that they need "Log on death", "Relogger", and "Auto Resume". We aren't talking about Buffbots or tradebots here.. we're talking about combat macros.
great, so if we're talking about combat macros, then we're talking about lifetank, warbot, ac tool scripts, etc, not my program. get it off my program's thread if it's not talking about my plugin.
All of those features can be used without even running a macro program at all. log on death incase you walk away and die, you don't have to be killing mobs to go afk, you know. Relogger if you are leaching a fellow, completely within the rules, a pk comes you log off, come back in after a couple minutes so your fellow can refellow you. this can be done attended while still completely within the rules. auto resume for the same instance. if you're leaching a fellow, go afk and forget to turn the macro on, or think you did but really didn't, it will turn itself on.
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The "stealth" stuff is a bit iffy as I can see running a plugin to tell you if someone near you is in the allegiance or friends list, but auto-logoff for either still screams UCM to me, as if you had that capability, and outputted to screen, the player could make up their own mind (were they actually attending their macro).
As I said in my last post, logging off when a pk comes near by is the most used thing on DT, every single time I run near a low level char, they log off. Doesn't matter if they are hunting or not. You are not required to use my plugin with a combat macro, you don't have to if you don't want to. It's obvious it all depends on how the player uses the plugin in a rule breaking or abiding way, and up to them to decide if it is allowed or not. I kill people all the time and then get tells from the saying "woah I didn't even know you were there". Well guess what, if they did know I was there, chances are they would have logged off.
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"Death- Plays a sound file when you die" ... come on ... you can't be serious!
Yeah I guess programs like lifetank are meant for UCM then, because they have sound files when you die also.
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Keep any further posts regarding my plugin and not regarding how it could be used in a rule breaking manner. You made comments and I made a respone. It's done. You showed your point, I showed mine. Frankly, I don't care if you think it's a bad plugin and shouldn't be allowed. Keep it off my thread.
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Thank you.
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This thread isn't about ELTank, LifeTank, or Warbot... if it were, I'd point out the same issues. This thread is about YOUR plugin, which is why I'm directing my comments toward it. You can't reasonably assume that since I speak out about yours but not them (in a thread dedicated to your plugin) that somehow I'm implying that it is OK in the other plugins, but not in yours. It doesn't work that way.
You're awfully defensive over something you claim isn't wrong. Only people I know who are that defensive are the ones that are guilty of something. Not trying to imply you're guilty, but perhaps you should slightly adjust your defensive stance. I wasn't being offensive in my post... simply pointing out how this plugin (in my opinion) really has no merit EXCEPT to people who plan on breaking the CoC, or people who currently are.
When I see a red dot come into view, I press Shift+ESC. I don't need a macro to log out for me. It is called "being attended". As I said.. if your plugin simply gave textual warnings, but performed no action, I really wouldn't have any issues with any of the features. But the fact of the matter is, your plugin fully automates all the features that the UCM are plugins missing. It has very little merit outside of this except perhaps SOME of the PVP elements, which could easily be modified to in no way automate or compliment a UCM plugin.
Case in point.. where would ANYONE who is attended need a plugin to log in for them, and in addition to that, press CTRL+F1 to start the macro? If someone is attended, they can log in themselves and start the macro themselves.
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drakier posted:
Case in point.. where would ANYONE who is attended need a plugin to log in for them, and in addition to that, press CTRL+F1 to start the macro? If someone is attended, they can log in themselves and start the macro themselves.
The same place somebody who is attended and would need a macro to do ANYTHING for them. Why would anybody need a program to kill for them, loot for them, salvage for them, buff for them, ID items for them, ANYTHING. The reason is the same for all of these things. So that you don't have to do it yourself. You can sit there with AC going on the top of your screen and watch a movie on the bottom, and as long as you can see the AC going, you're not breaking any rule. You sit there watching your movie, you see an envoy there, you respond. somebody comes by, you log off, wait, log in, resume macroing. Don't have to pause what you're doing at the bottom of the screen. All of this is not against the CoC, because you are attended and able to respond when needed. I was told straight up from an Envoy giving me a UCM test that as long as I can see all of the AC screens and actively respond when needed, I am not breaking any rule. He said I can macro 6 accounts if I want to, as long as I can respond and control all of them IF needed.
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Last I checked, these are public forums, and this forum is about plugin/utilities development. That said, being a public forum, you're going to get comments and opinions whether you want them or not. You can't exactly tell someone to "GTFO".
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I dunno.. that's a good question. A couple of words come to my mind, but none of them are good, so I won't say them.
I can tell you're one of those "read between the lines" kinda people. You go by the strict letter of the law, and potentially look for every exploit imaginable to get through the system in a way that benefits you, but because it's not specifically stated as "wrong" then it's OK, right? It's not about the "spirit" of the law, or what was intended by the rules... it's all about getting it cheap/free, and not getting caught.
It doesn't matter that the rules are in place as-is because Turbine cannot enforce a "no combat macro" rule considering there is absolutely no way to determine if a player is "Combat Macroing". All they can do is tell if the user is there or not. That is why the CoC only specifically outlines "UCM" and not all "Combat Macroing". Nevermind that Turbine doesn't want people Combat Macroing at all, and that they've made repeated attempts (very poorly might I addd) to specifically stop people from Combat Macroing. Because Turbine cannot enforce a "No Combat Macroing" rule, the CoC is as it is now.
But this isn't a debate about "why" people do it, or whether or not "Combat Macroing" is acceptible or not. That's a moral and ethical debate that has been hashed out so many times, and always comes back to personal opinions, family situations, and up-bringing. Some people feel that being lazy and getting things for free is perfectly OK because that is how they were raised. Others feel that you have to work at what you want, and that one person getting something for "free" is unfair and wrong. Regardless of your side of the issue, your plugin does nothing but assist macros to fully automate them, including login/logout. We all know that your little "Again, as long as you are attended and don't use this plugin to break the CoC or ToS, it is allowed." line is just so you can keep the thread here and not have it deleted for being a UCM aide.
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Hmm.
I wouldn't care to remove the death alarm. That's a dang good idea.
And I'd value Drakier's opinions to be quite honest. I takes a keystroke for him to shut this down and have it burn in flames before it gets off the ground. Remember, he is a head developer with Decal.. he can control what does and does not run.
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drakier posted:
We all know that your little "Again, as long as you are attended and don't use this plugin to break the CoC or ToS, it is allowed." line is just so you can keep the thread here and not have it deleted for being a UCM aide.
SOMEBODY GIVE THIS GUY A MEDAL, HE IS A GENIUS. I was told by a mod to say to not use the plugin for UCM, so that's what I did. Stop crying about it.
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The way you worded that statement almost implies you lied to us just so you would get your thread....
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It's up to the user to decide how they use the plugin, just like your lifetank XI. I do not play for other people.
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It's quite obvious that the purpose of this plugin is to avoid admin detection. I only see three features not offered by LT -- show nearby players, relogging, and admin alarm. Two of those features are blatant UCM-oriented features.
Stop feeding the bull**** and admit it already.
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It's quite obvious that the purpose of this plugin is to avoid admin detection. I only see three features not offered by LT -- show nearby players, relogging, and admin alarm. Two of those features are blatant UCM-oriented features.
Stop feeding the bull**** and admit it already.
You must have trouble counting, Alleg stealth, fellow stealth, auto resume, envoy alert, test envoy alert, relogger, show nearby players, stealth alert = 8 things that lifetank doesn't have.
Actually the admin detection is one of the least used feature in the plugin, Admins don't even log on DT much of EVER, I have not seen an envoy once in my months of playing DT.
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Just because it "gets old" and people "get tired of it" doesn't make it any less true, or any less applicable.
The reason is it always brought up over and over again is that people don't seem to look beyond their noses and take a good look around to what they're doing. And the people that DO look around and know EXACTLY what their doing and do it anyway for the negative is even worse. I don't blame people as much for ignorance. Although I don't find ignorance to be a good excuse, it's reasonable to assume some people just don't know any better. For those who DO know better and do it anyway, shame on you.
It's the "me" generation of entitlement. I'm personally sick of it, and it's not healthy for society to raise people who are so selfish and self-centered. And if you don't think it's applicable, take a good look around. Or perhaps you need to move to LA and take a drive around. You'll see it on the streets in less than 10 minutes. It's very frustrating to have people constantly around you who do nothing but think about themselves, and think they're the only people in the world and no one else is as important as them. You know where that attitude came from? Entitlement. They feel they are "owed" something, or that somehow, they are more important than the person next to them. Rather than slow down to let someone cross over their lane to the further lane, they'd rather speed up because heaven forbid someone get in front of them for 3 seconds.
It's all over in the world around us, and quite frankly it "gets old" and i "get tired of it"... yet it continues on, and I do my part to combat the problem through self awareness, and awareness to one's surroundings. This extends far beyond the game. It's an attitude of people, and a philosophy of life that people live by. Perhaps you should take a good look around and decide that you're going to do something to help the world, rather than be a drain on it. I hate to use the old cliche, but don't think about what the world can do for you, but instead, what you can do for the world. If even a large fraction of peopel in the world did that, the world would be a much better place.
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It certainly makes it more annoying and more POINTLESS. I DON'T CARE about what you think, you think any pro combat macroer gives a [Improperly masked profanity] about what anti combat macroers have to say? Call up Sweet Mary, I'm sure she'd listen to you all day. If not, atleast post on somebody's thread who cares, or atleast is remotely related to what you have to say.
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I for one am certainly not anti-macro. I am also not anti-ACM. I freely admit that I have on ocassion used the ACM feature of both LTX and Warbot. I have done so despite the fact I am a dedicated Key Boarder and play that way 99% of the time. I play that way because I spent a lot of time developing my Key Board skills in AC and I enjoy playing that way.
My style of play is not for everyone and I really don't concern myself with how others play the game. However, it's obvious to me that tons of players use LTX, A+ and many other Macros to enhance their enjoyment of the game. I frankly admire the skill of the Decal and Plug-in developers. I use their work at times just to see how good they are. Recently I have found Minimap and Radar Add on both help even a Key Board Player.
My point is this. The next plug-in I need to enjoy AC will be the first, BUT that's just me. I would not like to see the Anti-macro crowd find another target to focus on. This proposed plug-in seems very likely to provide such a focus. That could well result in jeopordizing all plug-ins -- even those for the Buff Bots which are used extensively. That would hurt the enjoyment of AC for many people. When Drakier, Crelic and Paraduck voice their concerns, they are looking out for the interests of the large majority of people who use plug-ins to enjoy AC.
If this plug-in is approved it won't effect my play at all unless it hurts the people I fellow with who need the Buff Bots, ect. For that reason I am glad the Devs are looking at it closely.
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Nice job EPS, looks good from what I see so far. Looking forward to trying it out.
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It's quite obvious that the purpose of this plugin is to avoid admin detection. I only see three features not offered by LT -- show nearby players, relogging, and admin alarm. Two of those features are blatant UCM-oriented features.
Uhm. This point makes me jump out... The little run macro button isn't a "Blatant UCM feature"? Hmmm. Log on death. Log on low tapers. Log on low scarabs. Log on low arrows. Hmmm. All of these have nothing to do with UCM? If lifetank was a non ucm plugin which are you're making it sound like you think it is then mabye just an alarm. Ding you are low on tapers.... You are defending your plugin with lame excuses sir.
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LT certainly isn't without some questionable features, but we don't provide the means to escape UCM tests by admin alarms.
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yea u do Paraduck!
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LTX, Warbot, and now this plug................whats the difference? they will all ucm with or w/o alarts and thats a fact
and i sure dont get Drakier.....he runs decal? wich allows ltx and skunkworks(warbot)and has allowed others like wake up b*tch and eltank but has a problem with this one? these kinda plugs been around for a long time and you are the biggest enabler for the reason they exsist and are created for
to put down any plug that benifits you is to put them ALL down from tradebots to make it, so to make any debate about something for nothing pretty much covers every plug but maby a couple that are xp/monarch tools
final thoughts, no point in closing the door now that horse is long gone! to me its like a debate why do we make cars that go 120+mph when speed limits are 55/65?
dont get me wrong, im not attacking anyone and understand that Drakier's point is of awareness but lets not discriminate as this plug is rite up there with any other combat macro ive seen
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edit: discussing moderation/mod actions, reposting after a mod/manager edit is against the tos
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Again, this thread is not about LifeTank, ELTank, or WarBot.
I brought these issues up in those threads already. They have already heard this debate. Some people took action over it (Paraduck and C'relic), while others really didn't do much. Elgar did a fair bit of "changing" to fix some of the issues, but in the end, it wasn't enough.
But this thread isn't about any of those other plugins. This thread is about the plugin -Eps wrote. Therefore, all of my comments are directed toward that plugin specifically, and it's purpose in the Decal community.
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If the warbot thread already heard your debate, then you better stop now. Look at Warbot, then look at my plugin.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d120/Jscho21/Warbot.jpg
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LT certainly isn't without some questionable features, but we don't provide the means to escape UCM tests by admin alarms.
You mean log on detected players isn't meant to escape a player seeing you macroing, then reporting you, and in effect escaping a UCM test? News to me, everyone i've known has used the log on detected players feature of LTXI to NOT get banned.
You mean filtering tells and turning on the sound alert when you receive a tell (envoy messages still get through), is not a feature as a means to allow you to UCM? News to me, almost everyone I talked to did that.
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This sounds exactly like what goes on in the 80+ Matron hive on MT. Walk into certain room, and the robot logs off.
It's been kind of cute to see the robot level up since ToD came out.
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what level are they now? lol
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but....
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You mean log on detected players isn't meant to escape a player seeing you macroing, then reporting you, and in effect escaping a UCM test? News to me, everyone i've known has used the log on detected players feature of LTXI to NOT get banned.
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Isn't that what your plugin does? Are you admitting to programming this feature for this purpose?
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You mean log on detected players isn't meant to escape a player seeing you macroing, then reporting you, and in effect escaping a UCM test? News to me, everyone i've known has used the log on detected players feature of LTXI to NOT get banned.
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Isn't that what your plugin does? Are you admitting to programming this feature for this purpose?
Just like paraduck doesn't mean for his log on players detected feature to be used for escaping a UCM test, neither do I. Like I said before, I don't use the plugin for other people, they are the ones who do. I know during my use I am ALWAYS attended.
And I guess you didn't pick up on the screenshot of warbot with all of the features that are in 'my' plugin. Clueless.
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How many times do I have to say it.. I'm NOT COMMENTING ABOUT WARBOT.
This thread is about YOUR plugin. It is NOT about LifeTank, ELTank, WarBot, or any of the other plugins. This particular thread here that I am commenting on has NOTHING to do with those other plugins other than their "combinational" use.
So stop bringing up LifeTank, WarBot, or ELTank. This thread is not about those. You're just trying to distract peopel and shift blame to someone else. This thread is about YOUR plugin, so that is what is being discussed.
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so what happened with the lifetank ppl and their secret access to admin detection, that immortalbob and all the other ppl had access to?
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Drakier, man, you need to open your eyes.
Here, I'll late it out on the table for you.
GET IT YET?
ROFL WTB: 1 CLUE FOR DRAKIER.
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btw looks good, should pm I linkage =p
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btw looks good, should pm I linkage =p
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-Eps... you still don't get it.
I am NOT discussing WarBot, LifeTank, ELTank, or any other plugin in THIS thread. THIS thread is about your "Macro Assist" plugin.
I don't care what WarBot, LifeTank, ELTank, or any of those other plugins do in relation to this thread. We're talking about what YOUR plugin does. If you want to create a WarBot thread and have me comment on that, I'll be more than happy to. This is not the appropriate thread for WarBot conversation however.
This thread is about your plugin, and therefore, that is what we are discussing. You can sit there and cry "But the other plugins are doing it" all you want. Doesn't change the fact that YOUR plugin is doing it, and since we are discussing YOUR plugin, then I'm telling you isn't right. Just as I've told the developers of LifeTank, ELTank, and WarBot (in their own threads).
All you're trying to do is shift blame off yourself, and cause a distraction for people. It's a "straw man" argument. Every time I discuss your plugin, you bring up LifeTank, or WarBot and try to make claims that "they do it too". You can't use them as a shield in this thread about YOUR plugin.
Furthermore, you haven't actually ADDRESSED any of my concerns about what your plugin does other than to say "WarBot does it" or "LifeTank does it". Just because they do it, or have done it, doesn't make it right. You can't use that as an excuse to shoot someone. "Snoop Dogg did it!" yeah... right.
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Perhaps it doesn't make things "right" but it certainly doesn't make this program "any worse" than the others. Considering the fact that they are not restricted by the Decal Devs and cover all the same possibilities as this program covers, there is no logical reason to restrict this program given the precedent.
Personally, I could care less, but I think the point still stands.
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its basically an edited warbot without the macro features and ect... and without 50 billion tabs you have to click through
am I right?
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I do not see what all fuss is over allowing EPS to post, discuss and sdvertise his plugin. Its purpose is UCM.
As previously stated there are a number of UCM programs around. Paraduck a VN producer works on one as does a VN moderator Crelic (Lifetank). The authors are allowed to advertise, discuss, etc. Since Lifetank is approved by the Vault Network, I do not see what the problem is here.
The vault position has been, we are weakly against UCM. You can not recommend UCM. You can not explain how to do it. You can not suggest to use these program to UCM. Anything else is fine.
Basically all the Vault does is:
1) state UCM is against Turbines rules
2) You can not openly write about it
3) It is Turbine's job to enforce the TOS, COC, EULA not us
Even Turbine isn't against these programs because Turbine refuses to make a public statement. The only restriction Turbine has the user is not allowed to UCM. Turbine only enforcement is to ban a user if they catch them. These days this is not very often.
The whole UCM issue reminds me of fireworks in many states. It is illegal for people to set them off. However, it legal to sell, advertise, transport and possese fireworks. The police, etc can not do anything to you unless they catch you in the act of using them. People know this so the threat of ban is much of a deterrant.
I understand your point Drakier about responsibility. About not providing tools to users to break rules.
If I recall correctly you were or currently part of the Decxl development. This make you no more clean than EPS, Paraduck and Crellic. According your writing you feel very strongly against UCM. Yet you provide tools to facilate UCM - just like EPS, Paraduck and Crelllic.
Your actions at best are UCM neutral. At worst UCM supporting. It is just that your writing not in alignment with what you do.
If you felt this strongly about the issue. Why did you not resign from Decal Development when they refused to fight back on morale grounds? This is what morally responsibile people do in real life when faced with this situaion. Why do you continue to help and support UCM?
Sorry about the rant and raving here. I just find it strange, hilarous and funny - looking on from the outside. Seeing three kettles calling the pot (EPS) blacker than their shade of black.
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We as Decal Developers HAVE attempted to remove UCM. Unfortunately, it is not as simple as just turning it off.
We've spent countless months debating ways we can make Decal less likely to be abused through UCM without probihiting play for "normal" users. Unfortunately, we have not been able to come up with anything, and we haven't received any user suggestions that are feasible.
While you can sit there in your chair all you want calling us hypocrits or saying "pot meet kettle" it's a completely different situation. Decal is a plugin framework developed for plugins. We have a Code of Ethics which is about as strong as your parents telling you "No". People who have no respect for their parents pay no attention to that, just as people who have no respect for Decal or the Decal Developers completely ignore the Code of Ethics. It is unenforceable.
That said, We HAVE made changes to Decal in the past to prohibit, deter, and even stop people from being able to UCM. Do you remember what happened then? Elgar released a new Decal, and/or a modified "CastSpell" dll that he included into his projects that unlocked Decal for Casting war spells.
You should know just as well as other developers that the key to security is it taking the hackers LONGER to break your "security" than it takes to implement. If you spend more time designing and implementing a security system than it takes for a hacker to break it, then it was pretty much a completely wasted effort.
Decal is and has always been a plugin framework that interfaces with Asheron's Call to extend play. To that extent, there is only so much we can control without prohibiting perfectly reasonable play, or asking for trouble with hackers.
And don't even attempt to lump me in with ANYONE who has written a UCM or a UCM Aide. I did not create Decal. I maintain it so that I have a say in what goes on. I do so for the purpose to have a voice that actually is able to do something provided there is something to do. I do NOT purposely go out of my way to create tools to aide in breaking the CoC or to do anything that goes against the Code of Ethics. To say I do is completely wrong and I take great offense to being lumped in with them.
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hey look, somebody finally guessed it right!
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Did Yula just say that Paraduck and Crelic UCM? 
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So Yula... let me get this straight....
You're basically saying that you're going to blame the pharmaceutical makers of pseudoephedrine because it can be turned into methamphetamines and abused.. We're not going to blame the meth users, and we're going to put the meth cookers on the same level as the pharmaceutical companies, because their product is being improperly used? That doesn't sound right to me.
As for the comments toward hypocracy, what is it exactly you expect me to do? Not release memlocs next patch? Shut down Decal because people use it for UCM? I take responsibility for Decal as a plugin framework and system which allows multiple different types of plugins to be developed, but ultimately the blame for that lies on the end-users for not exercising self-control and not using the plugins, and the creators for publicly distributing these plugins to the end-users.
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More like the pharmaceutical company is turbine and you're the meth cooker.
edit: no, your analogy is just horrible and can't be properly related to the situation.
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Before this turns into a hate fest - and feelings being hurt beyond repair - it should probably be locked.
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And since my name is being dragged through the mud every other post here, I want to make clear of something, which is very similar to Drakier's situation:
Myself nor Paraduck wrote Lifetank... We didn't write the code, we didn't put those features in, it wasn't our idea. It's been very clear we're against the act of being unattended, especially while running a program we're currently MAINTAINING now. There are alot of things I'd love to do to keep steering it to the not-UCM friendly side, but we can't just "turn the wheel" on a whim.
I would *LOVE* to remove the death alarm, or even the log out features. But it's not that easy, there's more to it than just deleting a few lines of code. When we removed the admin alarm, it completely disabled the whole program because it was tied in so much with the rest of the code. It took us months to remove it without harming anything else. During that phase, we had to use an "off" switch to disable it, but finally later was able to kill it... and if I remember, it crippled part of the IRC function too.
So, please stop comparing myself and Para to this. We're trying to do the exact opposite of what he's presented here. We're, slowly, but trying to remove these remaining "aid" features... not improve upon and promote them.
and Lord_Anton:
I invite you to tear apart and reverse engineer our code and find the admin alarm we're "hiding" from the general public. Go ahead, help yourself. I'd almost post the source myself.
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it was already posted a while ago, and last I heard you took it out after it was brought up, or somethng like that
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Looks good to me. Gj Eps =) I got faith in u lawl
Lookin forward to usin it. =P
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so is there anyway this will be released or any of that good stuff? =p
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I didn't write much of any of the code in 'my' plugin either. I didn't even sure what scripting language it was in until somebody asked me and I had to go double check. I took a utility I enjoy using, took out all of the combat, looting, buffing, healing, movement, and little perks of the utility that not everbody would use, and made it into a an assisting utility to run coinciding with similarly based plugins like Lifetank XI. I've made it so that decal users can take advantage of what other plugins have to offer, and use it combined with what they currently do. I wasn't planning on keeping in the admin alert, because it wouldn't really be needed, but I kept it in just incase a user wants to use.
I think players should be able to decide how they want to play, or not play, the game for themselves. If they want to break the rules, I'm not going to hold them back, but they better be ready to accept the consequences from doing so, and they better be respectful of other people who are playing the game as it is meant to be. Log on player detection should always be in any combat plugin. A main reason people don't like UCMers is because they take away hunting spots that the person could be leveling themselves by hand in, and playing the game in a rule abiding manner, in. I do not like when people UCM and never respond or react to players around them. I don't care if you UCM and nobody is directly effected, as long as when somebody wants you attention, you are there to give it, or you leave.
Although Turbine doesn't say it, and will never admit it, you can tell that they don't really care if you UCM, unless somebody lets them know they don't want you doing it. This is shown by the amount of UCM checks they do. I haven't seen a "Envoys are sweeping EO and POTB" message on general chat in MONTHS. The chances of being UCM checked now adays are almost non existant, until somebody reports you. Yes there are extremists that go around reporting people UCMing in spots they don't even want to use, but almost always there won't be an issue unless somebody else wants to hunt where you're macroing.
If somebody is going to break the rules and UCM, they are going to do it whether or not they have the things that are in my plugin. Some of you say that my plugin is bad because you think it is made only for aiding UCM, well if that was true, look who else it would help in the process. Say somebody is macroing a quest dungeon that people generally don't go in. Somebody is running quests, and they go in the dungeon. Normally that UCMer would continue macroing and ruin the quester's experience. With the log on detection type features, that person will log out when a player runs near by. Yeah, it could log back in and start macroing again, once you're gone. As long as a player is nearby, they will not be bothered by any UCMer, and that's the real reason why anybody would report another person for UCMing, because they are taking up area that people who are following the rules want to use.
I myself may be pro UCM in whether it should be allowed or not allowed, but I respect other players if I ever do anything that I shouldn't be doing. Not once has anybody complained about me macroing in a dungeon and not responding. It doesn't happen. If I hunt where other people could be, I hunt. I don't think there has ever been a time when I have ran a macro and not used log on player detect if I could, not because I could be banned, but because if somebody else comes by and wants to use the spot while abiding by the rules set by Turbine, they definately deserve it before I do.
For this reason, I could FORCE log on player if you use my plugin and do not show that you are attended, similar to how el tank required you to press a key to show you are attended, you go into an auto log on detect mode, but I haven't decided on it yet.
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Wait... So now you are admitting to stealing all the code from some other plugin, ripping out the portions you don't care about, then repackaging it as your own?
You can't even tell us what language it is written in, not because you don't want to, but because you can't?
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You can't steal from open source plugins, and I never said I couldn't tell you what language it's in, because I know what language it is in.
Wow, you're a d#$%@$(s.
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As far as I can tell, Warbot doesn't have a EULA, so you can't claim it's open source. There IS no way to conceal the code of a script, so you can't claim that because the code is clearly visible, the author doesn't mind anyone copying it. Any book you can get off any library in the world obviously has the entire text on display for anyone to see, but it's still illegal to copy it. Simply put, you passed someone else's code off as your own, whether intentionally or not doesn't matter. Personally, I'd call that stealing, but I'll accept that definition's open for debate. Regardless of what you call it however, it's still contemptible.
Bottom line is, you took someone else's code, and without asking permission you released a modified version that's sole purpose is to UCM, and led people to believe it was your own work. Don't insult anyone's intelligence by trying to deny it.
Anyway, back on topic- given that you claim to have simply removed a whole chunk of code from Warbot, leaving only the functions visible in that screenshot, I suspect this is probably a long way from being reliable, for the simple reason that Warbot uses a finite state machine. When you rip out parts of an FSM without an understanding of it's design, you more than likely break part of it, and unless you understand the code well enough to re-engineer the transitions between states to fix any deadlock/livelocks that you've inadvertently created, there's a good chance that it'll stop working whenever it was expecting something that you've removed. Of course you might get lucky, it might work without any problems, but the odds of that aren't great. Putting technical issues to one side though, even if I was inclined to UCM, I'd be more than a little reluctant to trust a plugin when the 'author' didn't even know what language he was working with.
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All questions of UCM aside, given the OPs antagonistic response toward the programmers who provide the framework for the plugin in the first place, as well as his initial presentation of the plugin as his own work, it will go on the "Not Recommended" list. Antagonism doesn't make for good future support if something DOES go wrong, and I generally find it poor form to **** where one eats, so to speak.
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Warbot's admin detection does not work and hasn't worked for along time. All it did was look for the + sign in front of a name, but decal removes that. I took out all the admin detection code in the latest version. I could have looked at the raw messages but decided to leave it out. So Eps, I would take that out unless you want people to get banned.
As for log on death, yes, it could be used by an UCMer, but it also could be used by someone with a CoC legal bot (portal/buff/trade etc).
As for copying the code, I've stated on the warbot support thread on Cam's site that I don't care if the code is reused, as long as credit is given.
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I was tested the other week and the admin alert and all worked for me
well, the fellowship report thingy didnt work, but alarm went off and autoresponded
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Lanfear_SC posted:
Warbot's admin detection does not work and hasn't worked for along time. All it did was look for the + sign in front of a name, but decal removes that. I took out all the admin detection code in the latest version. I could have looked at the raw messages but decided to leave it out. So Eps, I would take that out unless you want people to get banned.
As for log on death, yes, it could be used by an UCMer, but it also could be used by someone with a CoC legal bot (portal/buff/trade etc).
As for copying the code, I've stated on the warbot support thread on Cam's site that I don't care if the code is reused, as long as credit is given.
Maud-Dib (author of WarBot)
My warbot is customized here and there and all the features that I use work, even the fellowing after relog.
Cam's site is exactly where I read it, somebody asked about releasing their own version of edited warbot, and it was said that it is allowed as long as the editor takes responsibillity for user support and doesn't throw it on the original writer, and gives the original credit for what was copied.
I like how Thorfinn_Sigurdssen assumed that that I never checked before I edited, and they wrote big long responses without knowing the facts about if it was open or not. You also must have never seen warbot's files, it is VERY easy to follow and very easy to understand. If you make a mistake in the coding, it points out exactly where the problem is and it is very easy to go back and fix. It splits everything into different files and most of everything has comments. As for me not knowing the language, I exagerated on that, I wasn't sure what the name was called, Jscript, Javascript, java, w/e. The name of the code doesn't change my understanding of how what is infront of me is doing what it does.
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So, are you going to release this plugin?
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Not to you.
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I'm not interested in using it. We are considering updating LT's license agreement, though. We do not agree with the use of this plugin in conjunction with LT.
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-Eps, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is the first time in the whole thread where you have actually ADMITTED to using the WarBot code, and this is the first time you've credited WarBot as the source. (Perhaps that one post could be considered credit... MAYBE)
But it seems that your admission to using WarBot as a base has only been when coerced. Therefore, you did not initially properly credit the source. What you SHOULD have done was told us in the VERY FIRST post that you have a plugin based on the initial WarBot source that does X, Y, and Z... etc. We shouldn't be finding out 50 posts into the thread that your code is completely taken from WarBot. That is NOT properly crediting the source. Did you leave the WarBot credits in the code? Does your code have comments in it saying that it was based on WarBot, and including the original Author?
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I hinted that it was from another plugin the whole time. When I called you clueless when you ignored them, all those screenshots of warbot with the features I had circled, when I cut out warbot and pasted it next to my plugin and it was the same except for some of the words. 'my' plugin...
None of that matters anyways, I have no need to credit warbot at all at this time, I didn't release anything. Nobody is using this plugin at this time. I didn't release anything but a teaser pic, and I won't credit warbot and Maud-Dib, Poundboy, any other coders, or the old ACscript drainbot until it is necessary to do so. I said it was a teaser pic and I was looking for feedback on HOW IT LOOKED in my first post(the original post was made by immortal bob after the other threads were deleted to clean it up)
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Drakier, man, you need to open your eyes.
Here, I'll lay* it out on the table for you.
GET IT YET?
ROFL WTB: 1 CLUE FOR DRAKIER.
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I'm not interested in using it. We are considering updating LT's license agreement, though. We do not agree with the use of this plugin in conjunction with LT.
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They didn't care about warbot until I brought it up.
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Hm... ok, so it presses Ctrl+F1 when it logs you back on. Which means, this function can only be intended for use with Lifetank. And now the Lifetank devs are making it abundantly clear that they don't want this 'plugin' used with Lifetank.
You've taken the code from someone else's program, passed it off as your own (whether by simply failing to mention it, or by deliberate deception is irrelevant), without even realising that one of the function's doesn't work. I'll concede the point that Warbot's author did say it was copyable, but IF he was credited, which you didn't do. And no, you didn't 'hint' at it in your initial post, not that hinting would have been adequate acknowledgement anyway.
I'm just remembering 'LifetankXR'. As I recall someone didn't like the fact that envoy detection was removed, and decided to produce something that added it in, against the wishes of the Lifetank devs. Made quite a few personal attacks against the Decal and Lifetank devs in the process as well, as I recall. Not surprisingly, it was never released. Ever get that strange sense of deja vu?
Seriously, do yourself a favor and drop it.
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the admin detect worked fine for me, dunno what ya talkin about
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Hm... ok, so it presses Ctrl+F1 when it logs you back on. Which means, this function can only be intended for use with Lifetank. And now the Lifetank devs are making it abundantly clear that they don't want this 'plugin' used with Lifetank.
You've taken the code from someone else's program, passed it off as your own (whether by simply failing to mention it, or by deliberate deception is irrelevant), without even realising that one of the function's doesn't work. I'll concede the point that Warbot's author did say it was copyable, but IF he was credited, which you didn't do. And no, you didn't 'hint' at it in your initial post, not that hinting would have been adequate acknowledgement anyway.
I'm just remembering 'LifetankXR'. As I recall someone didn't like the fact that envoy detection was removed, and decided to produce something that added it in, against the wishes of the Lifetank devs. Made quite a few personal attacks against the Decal and Lifetank devs in the process as well, as I recall. Not surprisingly, it was never released. Ever get that strange sense of deja vu?
Seriously, do yourself a favor and drop it.
Did you not read anything I said? My Warbot is not the released version. ALL of the functions I use, work. Lord Anton says his warbot envoy alert works as well, and I'd guess he hasn't edited anything dealing with it. Also, where did I ever release a plugin. Completely disregard where it's from or how I got it, where have I ever released a plugin? I'd like to see you come up with a plugin, ANY PLUGIN, that *I* released. You won't find one, nevermind if I credited anybody or not, I didn't have to, because I haven't released anything. It's a teaser image. I asked how it LOOKED. Please quote me where I gave you a link to download it and asked you how it runs. if I had, you would have found the credit given IN THE MACRO, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT ACTUALLY MATTERS. I could have made that teaser image with MS paint, without even looking at the source of Warbot, forget about editing it at all. If you ever get the chance to download the plugin, which certainly you will not be given or allowed by me, you can cearly see the credit given in the same place that everybody else that edited warbot gave theirs, at the top of the code.
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// Author: Poundboy
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// PB 09/13/02 1.01 Initial version. Mostly based on old AcScript drainbot
// PB 02/10/04 2.08 Split out FSM state routines to WAR_STATES.JS
// EPS 07/05/07 *1.0 Edited for EPS Macro Assist
And before you jump on be about the name, yes, I didn't change the names of the files yet, like I said before, It hasn't been released, IT DOESN'T MATTER. DON'T CRY ABOUT IT.
You have never used my plugin. Nobody but me has. How can you say that the features do not work? You are GUESSING. You are basing your fact on an ASSUMPTION. Get some actual facts next time you make a comment that NEEDS one to have any valid substance.
You CLEARLY do not use warbot, I think YOU need to do yourself a favor and PICK UP SOMETHING SO THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH. Get back to me then, until then, your comments are meaningless.
First Page. First Post I made.
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It's just a teaser pic and I'm looking for feedback on how it looks.
FEEDBACK ON HOW IT LOOKS
Guess none of these people bashing the plugin and how it works can read.
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They didn't care about warbot until I brought it up.
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I didn't care about WarBot until you revealed that your plugin was basically a COPY of it.
It is completely different.
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Nobody was discussing banning the use of any plugin in conjunction with their own until now, yet warbot has had these features for years...
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Nobody was discussing banning the use of any plugin in conjunction with their own until now, yet warbot has had these features for years...
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WarBot generally isn't used in conjunction with LifeTanks as far as I know. It was meant to be pretty self-sufficient.
It's only once you stripped out all of the "extra" stuff from WarBot, and made it to basically operate LifeTank is it becoming an issue.
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Warbot can disable
attacking (support only mode)
buffing (disable buffing)
looting (turn 'loot all corpses' off)
and now warbot is the same as my plugin
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I think it looks great, personally.
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did you write a script or a plugin?
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edited an existing script (warbot) if i followed most of the thread.
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agnari posted:
edited an existing script (warbot) if i followed most of the thread.
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So, this is a skunkworks script, and not a plugin?
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What about an option that will also hit Crtl F3 at the start to force a rebuff? Looks like a cool plugin
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Looks like a kool plugin. lemme know when it is released. Sorta looking toward it.
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dema its a SW script...unless SW runs on more then one client now, its no good.
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damn *sad face* Hey kin what is ur paypal acct address? Send me a pm with it.
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kinslayer271 posted:
dema its a SW script...unless SW runs on more then one client now, its no good.
I run 6 skunkworks utilities at once
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really...hmm must have been awhile since I have used SW. Last time I used it only one account could run it.
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if you run warbot on multiple accounts it wont work without some editing, because it tries to access the same files more than once and can't, I just made a new folder and renamed the files, changed the warbot.js, and removed all logging features.
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Love how 40 of these plugs show up overnight, hail all the devs of them ;P
Anyone remember when macroing was ur choice, and ur consequences if reported?
use at own risk, were wise words.
in the entire history of AC has turbine ever tried to block a plugin because they didnt like its functions?
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If you can enable different features for DT, why make any changes. You know the level and experience curve, we already have thirst to deal with so macroing isn't 100% risk free.
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thanks for that wonderful new version of LTxi -Eps, its really great..
next time make a plugin to help the people u screwed or stfu and dont encourage the cattle to make stupid updates to spite u.
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Huh? what did I do? You seem to have failed to read the posts, all *my* plugin is is warbot stripped down. warbot has been out for years. My plugin isn't out, I'm the only person with access. go cry to maud-dib and poundboy if you have a problem with what they released.
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Looks like a good plugin, can't wait to try it.
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I think he's blaming you for the changes to LT, as if their new edition only came out because this plugin was getting so much acclaim and controversy.
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once again.. this is NOT a PLUGIN. This is a SCRIPT for the skunkworks PLUGIN
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its prolly cause i suck, but i find it hard to watch what my toon is doing while fighting throngs of monsters, AND happen to notice that theres a pk in my radar debuffing me... A ton of times, they aint even on my radar...being little and having the big boys raid low dungeons pretty much means im kissing the lifestone alot, as well as trying to get up more di's, which is also why i have cruddy gear
i know its dt and they get a kick outta slaughtering newbs, thats life here...and the only reason i came here, was because the white servers cant barely get 150 <accounts> logged in, thats not players, thats accounts...whereas dt still has 400ish accounts
point im making is, i live for and pray to, the logout on detection feature
im old and not as cpu savvy as some of you
sorry, just wanted to convey loggin out isnt quite as easy as its made out to be
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I was here :P
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No you weren't.
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I remade some of the plugin and added in new features like spell component alert/assisting, @tell and @fellow message support for things like player and envoy detection as well as low comps, so it will send a message to your fellow, or a list of player's names if they are logged on. Also added Gem of Stillness use, it can use a gem if you have X number of debuffs on you.
Teaser pics to come later today when I wake up... going to sleep at 6:15 am....
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Adding healing kits and arrow detection is the next thing on my to do list...
Any features that people want to suggest?
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I would like a link :P
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Yes I can suggest you quit explaining yourself on this thread. It's your thread!
Don't defend your work, reason or rhyme to these fear mongering individuals.
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Curious for linkage.
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Please make a panel for Grenades.
Things that would be nice.
1) HUD for how many of each type you have on you.
2) Click on Monster, Click on Grenade Type(s), those are equiped when you target that type on monsters and hit say the 'G' key.
3) Hook into MakeIt or custom automation that will make grenades on the fly when you get to a set number.
4) Shopper that buys what you need for X amount of Grenades on your shopping list. Sells MMDs to do this.
5) Auto unequips Grenades on successful casting of spell and auto equips last equipped weapon. Can be set to a key instead of auto.
I think a lot of people would love something for their Grenades.
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Awesome plug in, would love to test/use it.
Less time bickering with these morons, more time finalizing the plug in. You will have the last laugh when it becomes more popular than LT.
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I am sure it would if the devs didn't kill bit it as soon as it came out. But this plug in definitely looks AMAZING!
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I think it sounds good. Sometimes I could be sitting here at the computer not paying attention to the monitor and reading or staring at the TV. It's a nice little, "Don't forget AC is running".
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Also, the admin alarm is nice. I usually don't respond to /tells while I am hunting, because I assume they are just people "XP"ing for a fellow.
It's nice.
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