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PM, please.
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For what? Post your idea here and you'll get better feedback.
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Don't you already have thirst Rayne...
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Ftuoil_XelRasH posted:
Don't you already have thirst Rayne...
Nope, never had it.
Anyways, back to the topic at hand, I want a custom made program for my guild only. Nobody willing to make some extra money?
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noooo more guilds with thirst
when will it end
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_Franchise_ posted:
noooo more guilds with thirst
when will it end
It will end when Turbine changes the AC software so that it does not work any more.
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Why is it a bad thing? It is upholding turbine's CoC. If they took this out, might as well scrap decal. No program is worse than War Detect though, absolutely weak.
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RayneOfAmber posted:
Why is it a bad thing? It is upholding turbine's CoC. If they took this out, might as well scrap decal. No program is worse than War Detect though, absolutely weak.
Never said it was a bad thing. Turbine allows us to mod the client. Turbine has a short list of things that you are not allowed to do. This is not on the Turbine's forbiddened list.
Even if Turbine said no. People would still do it because they can. They would just take their chances. The only way to really stop it would be for Turbine to change AC so it would not work.
I do not have a clue as to what Turbine thinks. They have never said anything in favor or against it. All they have ever done is explain what is going on and why.
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Hmmm. nobody?
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Offering your services for a project when your potential client is being deliberately evasive about the details is not a course of action any reputable programmer would take.
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Wouldnt expect you to know anything about the politics of DT. Stick to your happy carebear server and thanks for the bump.
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Thorfinn's comment has nothing to do with the politics of Darktide... it has to do with the Ethics of Programming.
most "reputable programmers" have an ethical guideline they follow... Thorfinn was pointing out that most "reputable programmers" wouldn't take this as a project due to the nature of your comments and the project in general.
Has nothing to do with white server or red server or DT or "Carebear". It's all about the ethics of it.
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I was actually hoping someone would call me out on that. Thank you, now I can enlighten you.
You see, the politics on Darktide have EVERYTHING to do with that. While UCM is generally not accepted on other servers, it is welcomed on DT by the populace. Darktide might as well be a whole different game. What is not acceptable on the other servers and what may appear to be "trashy" to you, may not be to us. Thats how we play and thats how we have played for all these years.
There have been many reputable programmers who have programmed this plugin on Darktide, and if anyone would like to contest that fact, they would lose. You see, once again what may not be ethical to the people of white servers does not mean it is not ethical on Darktide. The original program was made by a guild leader of one of the best guilds on Darktide, and he is someone who everyone would trust.
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programming ANYTHING against the CoC (Rules) put in place by Turbine would be unethical... regardless of if it is "accepted" or not.
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Guess we're not ethical over there on Darktide. We'll deal with it. Dont know what else to tell you, this program was designed by one of the most trustworthy people on DT and copied by some other big time names who are also good people.
You dont accept it, it's fine to us. *shrug*
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<< You see, the politics on Darktide have EVERYTHING to do with that. >>
Then learn to program or find someone whose ethics are low enough to do what you want.
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Will do Maddy. ISO Programmer with no video game ethics to make a program that can kill logging macros and have no other use.
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see Rayne... you fail to realize that it's not just "video game ethics".... it's ethics in general.
people try to use the excuse "it's just a video game", but in this video game, there are other people, and your actions DIRECTLY impact these other people... for better or for worse.
With that in mind, each and every player needs to be aware that their actions (either right or wrong, macro or not macro, attended or unattended) affects each and every player on the server and potentially the game.
Ethics extend far beyond it being a "video game". I'd hope all real programmers realize that.
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Also, I've got to say: I disagree with the fact that EVERYONE on DT condones and accepts UCMs and "welcomes" them.
Well, that, and it's still against Turbine's CoC and is still enforced last I've checked.
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Crelic would be a good person to do it, seeing as they made an admin alarm to go with lifetank before
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Thirst isnt against the CoC in anyway. infact it ENFORCES the CoC...
it's a program which makes it so macroers cant AUTO log when you come near them. So you can just kill them...
I dont see why any Ethical programmer would see that as unethical...when its pretty much for the cause of turbine..
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Also, I've got to say: I disagree with the fact that EVERYONE on DT condones and accepts UCMs and "welcomes" them.
Well, that, and it's still against Turbine's CoC and is still enforced last I've checked.
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You'd be wrong. Every guild on DT allows macros, unless it's a bunch of level 20's that came over from LC or something.
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Every allegiance may allow it, but that doesn't mean that the entire population condones it.
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So you would join a monarchy that stands for things you dont condone, especially things like UCM? Doesnt sound like the right answer.
Like I said, you play DT for a year and your views will change. It's almost a different game.
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there's a reason I won't play on DT.. I don't want to stoop that low... and in order to be competitive, you have to.
I understand the politics, and I just won't bring myself to that level.... so I don't.
You can blame that on Turbine as it is their fault. If DT and AC die, it will be because of things like this.
(Not to say that Turbine is to completely blame... we can also thank the hackers, exploiters, and the unethical programmers as well)
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Woah, I missed the part where he actually in the first place stated that he specifically wanted a Thirsting plugin. Could be a war detect plugin or something along those lines.
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We have our limits,(we're not complete savages) it's just things like UCM and thirst which we feel we can govern ourselves. A lot of people dont want to spend countless hours of grinding and leveling to pk for an hour after a long day of whatever it is they do, it doesnt hurt us like it could hurt you. Programs that actually pk for you and war detect are frowned upon, hacking is frowned upon, TKing is frowned upon, etc etc.
It's the best server, if you want a challenge it's the place to be.
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Nope, war detect damn near killed group PvP.
We got someone, so thanks a lot. 
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I hate comparing an online game's ethical stance to real life ethics, yet it does reflect on the "person's" attitude toward's anything in life. If you believe it's OK to go against an established set of rules (CoC), then that would appear to be your implied outlook on anything. So, it's OK to drive drunk, as long as your group moderates it. Shitty comparison, yet it seems to be people's justification for not following guidlines and rules. So, since other people are breaking the rules, it's OK for us to do it too. Cool. SInce so many people have illegal guns, I guess it's OK to get one, also. Since other people have 'em, too. Hypocricy at it's finest. Hope you keep that attitude in real life and get caught. Prison/county jail will be good to you. Just remember to tell them that since others were doing it, you did too. They'll understand, they feel the same way.
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Pretty stupid logic there. I dont even have so much as a misdemeanor on my record, nor have I ever tried or used an illegal substance. In fact, I would say my record is cleaner than way more than most posters.
Thanks for trying.
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<< Pretty stupid logic there. >>
Nope, it is pretty much dead-on. It shows how a person approaches a set of rules/laws.
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Not even close Maddy. I'm a role model citizen and have never been in trouble with the law.
So yes, your logic is flawed. But we can argue somehwere else how much of a POS I am, feel free to PM me telling me such.
Hasta, I think we cracked it. But you can PM if you have it cracked or can do it fairly easy.
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<< 'm a role model citizen >>
By violating your agreements? Not in my book.
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Step outside the video game for a second. You're talking about RL and an aritiicial world. So I guess in the same breath you can tell me everyone on DT is a degenerate scumbag.
Here comes the clue train Maddy, next stop - you.
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<< Step outside the video game for a second. You're talking about RL and an aritiicial world. >>
Actions in one tend to show how one will behave in another.
<< So I guess in the same breath you can tell me everyone on DT is a degenerate scumbag. >>
Can't vouch for everyone, but I would say it applies to some after having met them in person.
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Maddy_ACEDL posted:
<< Step outside the video game for a second. You're talking about RL and an aritiicial world. >>
Actions in one tend to show how one will behave in another.
<< So I guess in the same breath you can tell me everyone on DT is a degenerate scumbag. >>
Can't vouch for everyone, but I would say it applies to some after having met them in person.
How you treat others in a GAME, reflects how you treat and act in RL. Yes, it is true.
Have'nt been on DT, so I cannot say yes/no. But, I have seen some of the peeps who frequent DT and I see how they are in SC, so............ 
DtB
Oh, I have also never been in trouble with the law, never been drunk, used illegal substances, no traffic violations etc. And I do not break the rules on SC because others are doing (UCM'ing).
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Maddy_ACEDL posted:
<< Step outside the video game for a second. You're talking about RL and an aritiicial world. >>
Actions in one tend to show how one will behave in another.
<< So I guess in the same breath you can tell me everyone on DT is a degenerate scumbag. >>
Can't vouch for everyone, but I would say it applies to some after having met them in person.
Most of the idiots on DT are from your servers, funny how that works out. Anyways, you can assume since DT is a bunch of renegades they're all horrible people in real life.
And no, Im sitting here telling you actions IG do not always portray the person. Some people act the exact opposite because they can or because they want to play something different. Take for instance back in the day when it was Anti vs PK, do you think Pk's ran around killing people in real life because it's how they played the game?
Your logic might apply to your other servers, but I already told you DT is a totally different game.
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I kill ppl on AC over and over, I guess I have RL issues to deal with.
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<< I kill ppl on AC over and over, I guess I have RL issues to deal with. >>
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I didn't think thirst was against the CoC.
UCMing is but at this stage in the game who cares.
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