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I came back to AC a week ago. I seem to have missed why Eltank isn't around anymore and I find myself missing it. Could someone direct me to a link where I can read what happened? Thanks.
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I don't have a linky but from what I understand the short version is ElGarl had some trouble with Turbine's billing department or something and decided to take out his frustrations on us. I never really liked ElTank anyway. There are much better plugins out there now.
I've never macroed so I'm not sure what replaces that aspect of it. LifeTank maybe? For item detection and self buffing I haven't found anything that beats Alinco ( http://www.rindi.nl/alinco/ ). You'll need the seperate buffing plugin for Alinco to buff you. You'll see it on the website. For navigation it's GoArrow ( http://decal.acasylum.com/ ) all the way and for target vuln info TargetInfo (same website as GoArrow) is good.
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Close but not quite.
I was happy leaving ELTank running, until Turbine withdrew funds from my bank when I didn't have any active accounts. They then failed to refund the full amount (due to exchange rates), and then proceeded to ignore all attempts at contacting them to rectify the situation.
Finally the only way I could get satisfaction was to contest the charge with my bank, who were extremely efficient and had it sorted within 24 hours (Take note Turbine, that is how customer service should be).
I then decided to pull ALL support for Turbine after their unprofessional handling of what should have been such a simple billing issue.
That is why ELank no longer exists.
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Great, someone just provided him with more cheese for his whine...
Here we go again...
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They added ninjas to EO, and he threw a fit because he couldn't UCM there.
That was when he said he wasn't supporting it anymore. Later it morphed into a billing issue.
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Ah, yes I know how bad their customer support is. Sorry to hear about that ElgarL. I can see why you want no part of it now.
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Wrong Faradn. I canceled my last account when they added ninjas to EO, because it destroyed the dungeon (for me and many others). ELTank remained active after that. A few months later they had their billing fiasco where they charged a LOT of ex and current customers in error. That is when I took down ELTank.
I only post to correct idiots who attempt to twist things around.
Thank you Joshuel. I wish you luck and fun with your gaming.
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Ok, I was going to stay away - but - if you want to get things straight, lets not neglect who you really hurt, shall we.
The players who relied on your plug in.
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"Ok, I was going to stay away - but - if you want to get things straight, lets not neglect who you really hurt, shall we. The players who relied on your plug in."
Very true. He didn't hurt Turbine. He hurt the players. Very lame.
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*Throws more wood on the old fire*
Please mods lock this post before it gets out of hand again.
We are all out of tissues for you...
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I don't want another Future of Eltank thread. What was said has been said, please don't start that flamefest again 
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Ok I get it now the coup de grâce of ElTank came about from being a few of pence short on a Turbine refund. *smile*
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Hey El when was the over charge because i had the same thing a few month ago with a HUGE overcharge from them and they said they had no idea about it. I my not be the smartest person but i do know that 3 accounts do not add up to a 3 figure bill for one month :?
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Thanks for beating the cat when the dog craped on the floor.
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It was in November they sent out the EMails notifying people of their billing problems.
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Look on the bright side Elgar ... at least they didn't TRIPLE BILL you, like they did me.
I'm so glad that Vanguard officially releases Jan 30th.
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I'll take a look at Vanguard once theres a free trial  .
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If you have Direct2Drive, you can download and play it free now. It's in the final Beta.
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Story is exploiter turned to profiteer turned to crybaby turned to whinner turned to quitter
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No D2D here. I'll wait for the full release and an Free trial to be introduced. I can get a good impression off the forums on the games quality then.
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The Same Thing happened to me as well...I was charged double for one month but Turbine corrected...Too Bad Turbine doesnt take note and build a version of Eltank before they lose even more players...I certainly prefer Eltank to other plugins. Hmmm I suppose you need to have an apptitude for marketing to improve the game...
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Yup I preferred Eltank but wth if he wants to throw his toys out of the pram let him on. At least he did it over something really important rather that some stupid childish whimsical issue that could be interpreted as being misguided and directed at hurting the player base ......
Have to admit the withdrawal of ELtank did imact on me .... took liek 5 mins to change to Lifetank, set up spells and other profiles.
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is there a vn board plugin that alerts you of a post that uses the keyword 'Eltank'?
i am curious how this word apparently always seems to attract the ELtank plugin developer to come and rehash this old news repeatedly across all AC forums.
i was under the impression that 'quit' means 'quit'.
i would appreciate not seeing this topic again.
thanks.
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I am sorry Hokus Dominokus if my question caused you trouble. I can see this is a touchy subject for you.
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Quit != fall off the face of the earth.
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most of us wish you would just go away.
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As a programmer I always appreciated the work Elgarl put into ElTank.
Its breadth and scope exceeded all the other plugins!
I miss it but I have moved on to separate plugins that replace part of its functionality, some better but most not as good or as easy to use. For my important stuff like villa grabbing I always use old versions of actool to create my own macros that did not depend on Decal.
Ignore these whiners who are to lazy to learn to code.
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More of you should respect Elgarl's decision. Just because he took away your toy, which really is his toy, you start to throw a fit. Be constructive instead of flaming and complaining. Even I want it back. And those who hated Eltank, you should be happy now that you finally got your wish.
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As a programmer I always appreciated the work Elgarl put into ElTank.
I agree with that. As a programmer, he put a lot of work into ELTank.
but also, as a programmer, I don't appreciate the ethical standpoint he took when releasing ELTank. Maybe HE couldn't have seen the damage it was to cause, but the rest of the Decal Developers did, and warned him not to release it. He didn't listen, and THAT is what I mostly do not appreciate about Elgar. He ignored multiple warnings and the Decal Code of Ethics to release ELTank.
He's now taken his ball and gone home. I would agree that since he has done so, and has upset MOST of his "fan base", that perhaps it is time for him to move on from these AC Utilities boards... seeing as how he doesn't support any AC Utilities anymore.
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"As a programmer I always appreciated the work Elgarl put into ElTank.
I agree with that. As a programmer, he put a lot of work into ELTank.
but also, as a programmer, I don't appreciate the ethical standpoint he took when releasing ELTank. Maybe HE couldn't have seen the damage it was to cause, but the rest of the Decal Developers did, and warned him not to release it. He didn't listen, and THAT is what I mostly do not appreciate about Elgar. He ignored multiple warnings and the Decal Code of Ethics to release ELTank.
He's now taken his ball and gone home. I would agree that since he has done so, and has upset MOST of his "fan base", that perhaps it is time for him to move on from these AC Utilities boards... seeing as how he doesn't support any AC Utilities anymore."
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I didn't look at the source code, but ElTank was a really, really... amateur? programming effort. I only really got to look at it when I was hacking it to bypass authentication, but it was Visual Basic (which should be the first clue) and nothing special.
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Drakier posted:
As a programmer I always appreciated the work Elgarl put into ElTank.
I agree with that. As a programmer, he put a lot of work into ELTank.
but also, as a programmer, I don't appreciate the ethical standpoint he took when releasing ELTank. Maybe HE couldn't have seen the damage it was to cause, but the rest of the Decal Developers did, and warned him not to release it. He didn't listen, and THAT is what I mostly do not appreciate about Elgar. He ignored multiple warnings and the Decal Code of Ethics to release ELTank.
He's now taken his ball and gone home. I would agree that since he has done so, and has upset MOST of his "fan base", that perhaps it is time for him to move on from these AC Utilities boards... seeing as how he doesn't support any AC Utilities anymore.
Well actually his ethics fixed a long standing problem at the fringes of decal all the private combat macros that M$ was willing to ignore. It forced M$ making it so they could no longer ignore it, when ELTank released almost every dungeon that was worth any XP on an hourly basis had a closed private macro fellow.
Lots of players benifited but even more did not before Elgarl released ELTank. He only leveled the playing field for those who didnt have access to the private macros.
We all lost when M$ used Asherons Call as a research project on internet behavior. <-- the real culprit to the whole debate.
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Just because something is in Visual Basic doesn't make it amateur.. I'm not going to go that far to knock it.
He did a respectable job for programming it for what it was. It had a lot of code, and only got bigger over the years.
The language does not make the programmer. It is up to the programmer to decide how to use the language.
I know a lot of older developers that wouldn't hardly use anything except VB, and they'd knock the socks off of most other programmers I know. They were hardcore. Using Visual Basic didn't change that. It was preference.
That said... ELTank didn't "level" anything. It gave macros to the public and to those who didn't deserve it (not that anyone did).
I was never a fan of macros, but the macros that DID exist were written by developers whom mostly did it to see if they could, and didn't even care about using them. At least it was contained and private. Elgar made it public and made it an issue.
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Faradn posted:
They added ninjas to EO, and he threw a fit because he couldn't UCM there.
That was when he said he wasn't supporting it anymore. Later it morphed into a billing issue.
Correct. But the orginal poster wanted the story of Eltank.
Once upon a time a gent from England decided he'd like the infamy of destroying a game. Then when he seen that the game had been reduced to only a 100 to 300 people per server on peak hours, he tried to break the camels back and through a hissy fit because people couldn't UCM anymore.
Then when a few schillings were missing because of exchange rates he tried to stick knife the player community in the back. When we all know that his paypal account more than made up for a few pounds he lost due to exchange rates. Sadly for him, he over estimated how people still like the game more than his plugin. He truely was worse than Gman or Nummie or any evil in game character and he played the role well. Sadly, instead of Turbine or the players slaying him...he retreated like the little puppy dog he is.
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i cant believe all of you are getting mad at a person who went out of his way to make a plugin AND RELEASE IT TO THE PUBLIC when he could've kept it all to himself, all of you are worthless , ignorant, greedy, pos's
the plugin is dead cuz elgar chose it to be that way. stop crying and use alinco or ltx
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Tim,
Im sorry, but you're the ignorant one. His public release destroyed the game. Go have a smoke, pull your head from your girth, and come back and apologize.
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Destroyed the game eh? I don't see any destruction. I see Olthoi and Shadows have destroyed a few towns though. I think you let a simple little plug-in ruin your fun. I used to use Eltank all the time. See I still play AC, even when Eltank is not around. It didn't ruin the game when it was released and it didn't ruin the game when it was shut down. I enjoyed it however.
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People all have their opinions on this subject. Let's talk about facts, which non of us can deny nor change. The population numbers did NOT decrease when Elgar pulled El Tank, and haven't in the months since. They are identical to the numbers in the months before El Tank death.
Seems the death of El Tank didn't hurt Turbine, help Turbine, NOR drive away any customers from the game. End of story.
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People all have their opinions on this subject. Let's talk about facts, which non of us can deny nor change. The population numbers did NOT decrease when Elgar pulled El Tank, and haven't in the months since. They are identical to the numbers in the months before El Tank death.
Seems the death of El Tank didn't hurt Turbine, help Turbine, NOR drive away any customers from the game. End of story.
Ahh, but the creation and public release destroyed the game. The title of the thread is "story of eltank". And while Im not Arlo Gutherie and Im not going to sing Alice's Restaurant for you, I can tell you that most former ACers Ive talked to always ask if AC is still a cheaters paradise.
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Drakier posted:
That said... ELTank didn't "level" anything. It gave macros to the public and to those who didn't deserve it (not that anyone did).
I was never a fan of macros, but the macros that DID exist were written by developers whom mostly did it to see if they could, and didn't even care about using them. At least it was contained and private. Elgar made it public and made it an issue.
They most certanly were not contained. I didn't care for macros either. /shrug
On my prefered server all the XP dungeons for every level had been macro whored. Live players were stuck out of doors with often dubious XP.
I understand your sentiment about 'who deserves what' but in a game where we all were paying the same fee one group did not deserve the most oppertunity for advancemebt because they had private programs running. The private macros detected the targets before a live user got the info on their comp and had them half dead at that time.
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