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Now that ELTank will not even load ("killbitted" by the Decal devs it seems) I need someone to point me in the direction of a decent ELNav replacement. The only thing I really need is something that replaces ELNav's search and Favorites pages. I don't really care about it planning routes or any of that other silly stuff. I just need handy in-game relative coords for finding portals mainly.
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It has? When did this happen?
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howiegoo posted:
Now that ELTank will not even load ("killbitted" by the Decal devs it seems) I need someone to point me in the direction of a decent ELNav replacement. The only thing I really need is something that replaces ELNav's search and Favorites pages. I don't really care about it planning routes or any of that other silly stuff. I just need handy in-game relative coords for finding portals mainly.
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Maddy.. I went to install sort it on my mule pc the other day, and it told me that the plugin list was out of date, and asked me to refresh. I did, and eltank was killbit'd.. so it's been at least three days.
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I updated Decal this morning and it downloaded a new killbit file that apparently includes ELTank. After I updated I am no longer able to load ELTank at all.
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You guys are insane.
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Please don't instruct people how to get around the killbit.
It HAS been killbitted by request. Please let it be that way, and just let it go.
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Why does he have it so you can still download El Tank then?
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ElTank was killbitted at the Authors request. Posting information on how to get around it would be against Decal CoE and I believe also against ACVault rules.
The author wants the program dead. It is his program and his prerogative.
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I have no problem with an owner wanting to stop use of his own plugin. I just didn't realize that he had actually requested it explicitly.
Elgar has the right to terminate all licenses of Eltank, meaning anyone who uses it is guilty of copyright infringement.
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>>The author wants the program dead. It is his program and his prerogative.
And I agree.
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And as chance would have it.... other people want it dead too? Perhaps? Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe?
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Not a lot of 'chance' there, never been a secret where a LOT of the decal devs stand on macroing. But as stated earlier, our policy is to only killbit a program at the authors request, we really don't want to get into an arms race with them.
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That's irrelevant
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Ah, okay. I wasn't aware the El had requested it be killbitted.
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As Gouru pointed out... If a plugin or filter or service becomes Killbitted, it is ONLY at the authors request. We will never killbit a LEGITIMATE plugin because "we" want to. It's futile. So.. for future reference (and everyone should be taking notes if you aren't already)...
If a plugin is killbitted, it's because the author asked us to.
Now, you can try to draw whatever conclusion from that you want. It all comes back to.. ELTank has been killbitted because ElgarL asked us to. (Read previous section from notes)
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I'm going to pull a Frelorn here, and point out that things change and never might not mean not ever. If however, this policy ever changes, we will let people no.
For example, if we found a plugin that was intentionally hacking passwords, we would probably killbit it as an added safety precaution, whether or not the author asked us to.
And we are NOT against enforcing both the Decal CoE and when we can, helping to enforce Turbine CoC.
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Ahh.. correct Gouru...
I guess I should have been more clear and stated that... we won't killbit any LEGITIMATE plugins without the authors request.. (editing previous post).
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MT_Gouru posted:
Posting information on how to get around it would be against Decal CoE and I believe also against ACVault rules.
You are correct sir.
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Panzer942 posted:
Go Arrow.
I can run AC for about 10 minutes with GoArrow...regardless of my settings, it seems.
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Good thing ElGar said he would support a workaround that didn't modify Tank.dll right? Then 5 days later killbits the program after people stopped paying attention to him. The guy is such an attention whoring toolbox.
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It wouldn't have been Killbitt'd if 'someone' hadn't released a hacked DLL.
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>> It wouldn't have been Killbitt'd if 'someone' hadn't released a hacked DLL.
If people want to hack things, killbit won't stop them. The devs have stated numerous times that killbit is not designed to stop a determined and skilled individual. What you've done here is make it so the average user cannot use eltrack.
To quote Drak in this very thread:
>> We will never killbit a LEGITIMATE plugin because "we" want to. It's futile.
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Once more - you win Elgar, now go away.
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Who released a hacked DLL? I have one on my computer and I know of two other people who have it, both of whom worked on it with me, and one of whom does not even know what Asheron's Call is.
**Nobody is asking you to keep working on Tank or to keep the auth server up** but its just petty and stupid of you to keep the 6 players who have a working tank from playing. I don't really feel you have the right to discontinue a program I already have installed and running.
In fact I'm pretty sure you do NOT have that right. I can still install Windows 3.1 even though I cannot purchase it or receive help from Microsoft. You can pull availability, but already installed copies are fair use.
edit: It's also really really weak of the Decal devs to bow to this guy's wish. He should pull his program from distribution, but it's NOT your responsibility to keep people from using it.
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Elgar can do whatever he wants with tank, he made it.
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And it's not "weak" of the Dcal Devs to killbit the plugin.
We weren't "bowing" to him.. in fact far from it. We've always been pretty clear on our feelings of ELTank. But that aside, he asked for it to be killbitted, and we've always said that if an author asked, we'd do it.
Elgar asked.
So don't try to turn it into a Decal Dev thing. We were only doing what was asked by the plugin author.
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Once you make a product and release it, Elgar cannot force people to stop using it. All he can do is pull distribution and discontinue it, just like old versions of software. They don't make or distribute AIM 4.0 anymore, but if you still have it downloaded you have the right to use it.
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You can kill whatever you want if you've coded in protections against it.
Microsoft could have coded in protection to Windows 3.1 so that after a certain time, or whenever they wanted to, they could completely disable it.
It's their software, and it's their right. Microsoft didn't do it because there was no reason to, and there really wasn't any method to.
I can disable ACDualClient whenever I want if I so choose to do that. I don't have any reason to, but if I wanted to, I could. It's my software and I hold complete and supreme power over its fate unless I don't code in the ability to disable it. That's a limitation on me, and not a limitation on the software or the user.
Elgar made ELTank. Decal provides a method to disable unsupported Plugins. Elgar is no longer supporting it, and wants it dead. That's his right, and we follow his wishes to disable it considering it is our product which makes the allowance to do that.
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Xieish, you might want to go back to law school before quoting non-existant laws and/or rights.
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As for AIM 4.0, I'm not even sure if that works anymore, and if AOL were smarter about it, they would have made protections to disable old versions. It's fairly trivial, but usually not worth the time.
If they coded in protections to disable AOL 4.0, then they have every right to disable it whenever they release a new version, or just because they feel like it. There are no laws governing the disabling of software. You have the "right" to run the software for as long as the author "allows" you to run it. If they don't code in protections, then it looks like technically, you're "allowed" to run it forever. Otherwise, they can kill it whenever and for whatever reason they want.
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I find this kind of amusing. Someone who did not create ELTank, is stopping other ppl from using it, i'm just curious why noone sees this as wrong. I don't want anyone stopping me from what I do on my computer. What do you think would happen if Microsoft Killbitted Netscape or Firefox? They'd be in court very fast and they'd lose.
I'm sorry but you have no right to force me into using or not using anybody else's software.
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Lets say, Netscape Communication Corporation asked Microsoft to killbit Netscape Navigator and Microsoft complied with their request. There would be no legal action that could be taken against Microsoft.
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Yula is correct.
As previously stated, Decal Devs did NOT Killbit ELTank on our own opinions. We were ASKED to kill it BY Elgar... the author and sole developer of ELTank. HE asked us to kill it, and so we did.
It is an exact match to Yula's analogy. If Netscape or Mozilla asked Microsoft to killbit their software, then they and their users have no recourse for legal actions because the developers themselves requested it. It wasn't a decision Microsoft made on their own and did because they wanted to eliminate the others.
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<< In fact I'm pretty sure you do NOT have that right. >>
Don't give up your day job to be a lawyer.
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I believe what most are forgetting in this situation... Is that Eltank is owned by one person, and one person only: ElgarL. Eltank is NOT owned by the AC community, no matter how many times you may tell yourself that. Eltank is his intellectual property and is allowed to do whatever he feels like doing with it, with or without anyone's written permission, opinions, or feelings.
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Don't give up your day job to be a lawyer.
Yes because intellectual property law is clearly defined on the internet right?
He lives in the UK too which obfuscates things even more.
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It's understandable that Elgar owns this piece of software ..
.. but it's a sad day, when one of the best utilities ever release can be swipe away in-a-day from many many fans who were in love with it .. done by just one person.
Something is sadly wrong with this picture .. especially during the holiday season.
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Religious fervor.
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People, come on now. ElTank was a superior piece of code, but its time has come & gone. Don't let your insecurities bring you down to chastising the Decal devs, as they've done nothing wrong. Remember, it is the generous spirit of the Decal devs that allow us to utilize our precious plugins. It's over and it is time to move on... 
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More EL-Drama...
EL-tank had more bugs and issues then a 100 year old wooden lake front house.
Good riddance to him and his plug-in.
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ELGar is a whiner, just lock this thread and ban him from the vault, he doesn't want anything to do with AC anyways right? I'm tired of hearing about him and his plugin.
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What sucks is I didn't use El tank for ucm, nor did anyone I know, I found it to be extremely useful for everything else, navigation, corpse tracking and buffing. Pretty damn lame to kill it imo. Sounds like someone had a tantrum.
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Some pussnut releases a hacked DLL now those of us who didn't use it are punished.
Sounds about right.
Funny thing is, it won't stop the people who hacked it. Wouldn't surprise me if they already have it running again.
Hey El, you might want to killbit the DL from your site too. Personally it would have been the first thing I would have done if it were my program and I didn't want it used. Ok , maybe 2nd after kiling the auth server.
*pictures a giant foot stepping on it Monty Python style*
Edit- Elgar, Since you do NOT want to support Turbine in any way shape or form, you might want to get rid of the link to DL and purchace AC from fileplanet on this page http://www.rathgar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tank.htm
OH and the "Please make a donation via the Paypal link below if you enjoy ELTank and are able." here... http://www.rathgar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
After all you wouldn't want to take peoples money for a product they can't use now do you?
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<< Yes because intellectual property law is clearly defined on the internet right? >>
Clearly, perhaps not, but to a degree that someone with an intelligence approaching normal could understand then yes. You might have to search some online law libraries though.
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Agreed. Tank is gone, there is no use to talk about it.
Thx ElGarl for giving Eltank weired way to take it back but..ok.
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>> Killbit this thread now plz.
Threads should not be locked because you don't like the discussion. That's undue censorship. If you don't want to read about it, don't click the thread.
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I would hope that if an evil plugin surfaces that it's killbit is set to On quickly but overall I agree that 'normally' it should only be used at the authors request.
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As many of the various Decal Devs and plug-in writers have pointed out - NONE of this mess is their fault.
And try as he might to place the blame on Turbine, the person AT fault is incorrect - it's not their fault either.
100% Responsibility for this FIASCO lays directly at the feet of the owner of the plug-in and nowhere else.
Now, to actually answer the question: "Now that EL Tank has been kilbitted..."
I am going to ask as politley as possible and as frequently as I can without pissing off the writers and controllers of Lifetank - PLEASE add Re-Stam and Healing controls beyond a set default for Melees and Archers! Ltx for the WIN!
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Churi-ya posted:
Now, to actually answer the question: "Now that EL Tank has been kilbitted..."
I am going to ask as politley as possible and as frequently as I can without pissing off the writers and controllers of Lifetank - PLEASE add Re-Stam and Healing controls beyond a set default for Melees and Archers! Ltx for the WIN!
I agree... As I've said many times before (and I apologize), this is just a horrible time of year for me.. and Replex seems busy as well. There are many things we'd like to improve on the plugin, we honestly just haven't had the time lately to do anything. Work for me probably won't slow down until the middle of January, *maybe*.
But, fixing the whole slider deal was something I was working on before I ran out of time... also trying to make it 100% recharge instead of just getting above the threshold was another thing. It sounds easy, but the whole threshold thing I piddled with for days and couldn't get it to work as expected.
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Awesome!
Thanks for the good work!
And you'll get a Christmas Card is it's up and running before Santa Comes!
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Something I found and helps me understand why it was killbitted.
BTW, this Hacked DLL was also being sold for RL cash. I had no choice but to ask for a killbit.
http://eltank.homedns.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=6683
Still dont like that its gone, but knowing more why it was done helps.
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Funny that, but I think that anyone who had/has the hacked version probably already know how to bypass the killbit too. Of course the rest of us who were just limping along with the tracking and transitioning the quest timers are out of luck eh 
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Ayup - "he" didn't hurt Turbine.
"he" hurt the players.
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<< 100% Responsibility for this FIASCO lays directly at the feet of the owner of the plug-in and nowhere else. >>
I would say part of the issue is someone deciding to sell a hacked DLL. Of course why blame people that are breaking the law?
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I was not talking about the kill-bitting.
Specifically.
I was talking about why there's no El Tank and the motivation behind a persons actions and their "claims".
"He" claimed to not have any intent to hurt the player base's enjoyment of the game.
"He" claimed he would do nothing to actively disable, or otherwise shut down the plug in.
Actions speak louder than words.
It's "His" plug-in. "He" can, and will, and has done what "He" will like, regardles and contrary to what "He" said "He" would.
Hence, ultimately, this mess is "His" fault. One lies to the playing community, they get ticked. They do things like hack DLLs and such. Too bad, actually, that they gave "Him" even more ammunition to further perpetuate "His" little tantrum.
I sincerely hope "He" enjoys Eve Online.
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<< "He" claimed to not have any intent to hurt the player base's enjoyment of the game. >>
Correct, his aim was at Turbine, players are just a side-effect. So his intent was not to hurt players but it did happen to some due to them not willing to change to something else.
<< "He" claimed he would do nothing to actively disable, or otherwise shut down the plug in. >>
But when someone starts selling a hacked DLL, making a profit off of his work, then he really wasn't left much choice. Again, blame the hackers.
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Seriously, who is soo stupid to try an sell a hacked DLL? Actually, who is soo stupid to buy a hacked DLL? You have to be like 15 years old a really desperate.
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Churi-Ya has a point in that, if he didn't take down the Auth Server before he said he would, then the hacked DLL wouldn't have been created and released as quickly, and thus, ELTank wouldn't have been killbitted as soon.
So in a way, Elgar is responsible for the whole outcome of this situation. HE first decided to stop supporting it, which is fine, his decision. He said he'd leave it running until Decal or AC broke it however. Fast forward a week or two, and suddenly Elgar pulls the Authorization Server offline, thus killing most of ELTank off and forcing people to scramble to find an alternative, or find a hack to get it to work.
Needless to say, the "correct" way to fix the problem was not the quickest and easiest, and since Quickest and Easiest usually win in most of human nature these days, it was the hacked DLL for the win. I know personally that me and a couple of other people were close to a REAL solution that didn't violate Elgar's agreement or go against his wishes, but it took a lot more time and research than just hex-editing the DLL.
Oh well. Elgar is responsible for this outcome.
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Drak,
Does that mean you have stopped working on the solution? Or did that die when El had tank killbitted?
I only ask because he did say he would support a "fix" so long as it was within certain parameters.
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ELTank is dead. It's been killbitted.
There are no more "solutions".
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All viable solutions went out the door as soon as some idiot posted a hacked DLL. Yay for stupidity!
You can thank them in addition to Elgar for all the retardedness that happened with ELTank.
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Did anyone actually release and distribute it publicly? I know I made no bones about the fact that I had it, but it stayed within the original 2 people who made it, not even giving it to friends.
Yeah the thing has been killbitted and ElTank really isn't worth the effort to try and get around that either (it's possible but not forever and it's just another pain in the butt).
Alinco and LifeTank have both stepped up production it seems, so while now you'll need 2/3 programs to do what used to take one.
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Yes.. there was a hacked DLL released on UseNet, and someone else was offering the DLL for ... monetary compensation.
it had to be killed.
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This is why we can't have nice things.
And I think I forgot to finish my previous post "while now you need 2/3 programs, you can still get the same functionality out of AC."
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>Alinco and LifeTank have both stepped up production it seems,
>so while now you'll need 2/3 programs to do what used to take one.
Actually for Alinco all this drama around El Tank made me consider to keep my plug-ins private
in the future and has helped me with the final decision not to release a acm plugin as it will be
hacked anyway and even sold. So I removed all the not yet activated combat functions to an other project 
But no doubt that there will be others just give it time.
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Oh, Ive' got to be honest all I used tank for was XP/Hr and autoloot so I'm not sure what lifetank and Alinco does/doesn't have.
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You people can speak against ElGarl all you like. I don't have anything bad to say about a fellow who went to all the trouble to make a program that served me so well for so long. I don't acm or ucm. ElTank did so many things for me without using the automatic combat features, that now I am having withdrawals.
You can speak of Alinco and FindIt but they don't do the same things in the same way with the same ease of editing. It requires a learning curve to change plugins. Yes, I am using different plugins. Trying my best to get them adjusted just the way I like. And I am grumpy about the whole thing. I wish ElGarl hadn't quit AC.
If someone else had written a program which covered so much territory, I might be using that other program. Sigh.
I really appreciate the Decal Devs and the plugin writers. I do not have anything bad to say about them either. When you look at all that they have done for us, how could anyone complain?
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To the Defenders of Elgar, I salute you.
To the Detractors of Elgar, I salute you.
Elgar? Know what? I salute you too.
To those who are ticked off at my stance, well, we aren't always going to see eye to eye on things, are we?
And to the remark about keeping a plug-in private because of the flap over this one dying? All I can say is if I were the writer/owner/dev of a plug-in, and said one thing, and promply did another - and this effected hundreds of people's enjoyment of the game - I'd expect to get some serious criticism, too. Lord, I'd be shocked if I didn't get any.
I think it's time to agree to disagree. My stance is mine, yours is yours. I have said my piece.
Time to move on.
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"Yes.. there was a hacked DLL released on UseNet"
No there wasn't, can't believe ppl are so gullible.
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lol...
Elgarl you suck...
I was dissapointed in you when you said you were going to abondon el tank and told people they can use it till it is broke and then turned around and pulled tha auth server so they couldnt use combat and then because a few bad apples you kill bitted after saying people could use it if they could bypass it in a proper way as well as they can still use the other functions of el tank.
Your just a prick..
Im glad your leaving the AC community.
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usenet has no hacked dll and never did. Only a few people had a hacked dll and your a freak for freak'n out.
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I have everything I need now - Alinco, BuffMe, Virindi Follower, Target Info. Does everything I used in ELTank and does it better.
So here's props to the author's of those plugins, very nice. Especially Virindi for coming up with a nice following plugin very quickly.
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I cannot say for sure who wide spread the hacked Eltank is. But here is a picture that I found on Turbine's forums of someone use the hacked DLL and getting around the killbit:
http://dantooinebase.com/upload/imgs/da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709.42.jpg
You can read his complaint on Turbine's forum:
http://forums.ac.turbinegames.com/showthread.php?t=32441
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Yula, just to set the record straight...not sure why you think this guy is using a hacked .dll version....nowhere in there does it say that. El Tank (at least the parts of it that work without the auth server) STILL WORK until you UPDATE DECAL. Once you hit the update button in decal the killbit takes effect. (obviously after next patch everyone will have decal updated and therefor El Tank will officially be dead)
For those that haven't updated decal since they killbit El Tank, the portions of El Tank that work without the auth server (El Track and lots of other functions) still work fine. Nowhere in that picture did I see anything about a hacked .dll file.
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"lifetime" support with "donation".
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Yula, that's me. I've made no bones about the fact that I still have a working ElTank.
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Boo for the killbit  I had a working solution that required no modification of any files distributed with eltank. It wasn't the simplest solution, but it worked, and I'm sure most people with a clue could have followed the instructions and had it working.
Oh well, too late now.
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Elgar has taken his ball and gone home. I'm sure the game will go on without him OR his ball ...
That being said, I'm using Alinco for buffing and helping me find things (I STILL tend to look at them myself too), AgentZ for the nice configurable HUDs and other ingame changes it allows, Target Info to help me keep track of what has which debuff, GoArrow for tracking my favorite places and routing purposes (almost like having Oracle of Dereth back!!), and Quest Timer for tracking quests and ability to check timers on all my characters from ingame. When my wrists are hurting, I allow LT to help me with fighting when I play my mage. Yes, that is a few plugins running. Yes, I'm still on dialup. And surprisingly? I have less lag running all of them than I had with ElTank. Sad, but true ...
Elgar, if you're reading this, I'm sorry, but I was not the ONLY person who saw your statements about keeping Tank up until Decal itself broke it. Your statement that you made no such commitments is erroneous ... Sorry you feel that your issues with Turbine (whatever the heck they are) is enough justification for letting a lot of people down. As I was taught as a child - your issues are YOUR issues, not everyone else's issues ... and as such, should not be imposed upon others. Enjoy your new game, I hope to hell they can fulfill ALL of your expectations, whatever they may be.
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I too think that it wasn't a "smooth move" to down the server and request that the killbit be activated. I would have much preferred that he did what he originally said and let ElTank die when Decal was updated.
I would like to see him recompile one final version of ElTank that would not check for his server, and release it out there ... I'll even host it for him so he doesn't have to tie up bandwidth for that. Then TRUELY let ElTank work until Decal changes.
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Nice Idea Arch!
Now, let's see, where should I go to wait for Hell to freeze over.... hmmm, Aruba?
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It would take about 5 minutes, if he was too lazy to do it all he would need to do is give me permission to release my version, and have the killbit set back to 0.
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The sad thing is that many people have stopped playing AC1 since El Tank no longer functions, So I guess killing it off accompolished what was wanted.
I would think if the loss of El Tank is hurting Turbine too much they would add a macro system to the AC1 client, problem solved and all the 12 year olds are taken out of the equation.
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I only RESEMBLE a 12 year old..... intelectually anyway, and an immature one at that thank you very much!
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Nice Idea Arch!
Now, let's see, where should I go to wait for Hell to freeze over.... hmmm, Aruba?
Anywhere in the Asheron's Call relm. Many people have been waiting for many things to so that many layers of hell have frozen over.
I'm still waiting for Turbine to take over customer billing so they can think about doing the "Character Transfer System" that was talked about 18-24 months ago.
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The freezing over remark had nothing to do with Turbine Arch, it had to do with a certain someone being willing to authorize someone else hosting his plug-in. Not gonna happen.
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My take on this is more straightforward. This guy expected a groundswell of support for his "post Ninja pout" - something akin to mass subscription cancellations in protest. That simply never materialized into the "Come Back EgarL" campaign he was most likely angling for.
Tubing his own authentication servers early on serves as proof of the pudding and his latest move, the icing on the cake. Good riddance to you EgarL, your AC legacy is a dubious one at best.
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There we're plenty of 'come back' posts and requests. Heck some people even offered to pay me to come back. However it's impossible. I don't and won't support a company I don't trust. I hear good things about Vanguard though .
Many players left with me and were welcomed into EVE. Others continue to play AC, as was expected. Good luck to you all and may you continue to enjoy whatever you find the most pleasure in.
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laters elgarl
enjoy your new game
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Please lock this thread - he doesn't really warrant the attention anymore IMHO
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Churi, if you have a problem with this thread then you should stop reading. Stop torturing yourself. Others seems to be enjoying it and chatting quite nicely.
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You said you'd moved on, so, move on. Go mine ore or blow up other people's ships from half the galaxy away or whatever it is you like about your new game, it's about enjoyment, so enjoy. You've made your point, and quite clearly. You took your toys away. Good for you. You got mad that some people figured out a way to use your toys, even after you took them away - so you had the program kilbitted. What program? You know, the one you said you would't take away? That one? But that's all well and good. Your toy. Your property. You are officially the king of the sandbox. Good on you. Hurrah. If it sends a message to Turbine to start doing the right thing, then it's all good. Right?
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elgars always been a drama queen.
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Certainly not the way I'd want to be remembered. I really did think Decal and the plugins were about helping our fellow players enjoy the game. Guess I had that one dead wrong. Guess it is all about other things. Just like so many things in life......
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I guess the 5 years of use you had of it mean nothing. I wrote it for ME, Not for you. You got to use it because I felt like being generous. I made no one any promises. You should be greatfull you had the use of it for so long. I could have gone the way of all the other macro writers and kept it private or made an absolute fortune by selling it (AKA Lifetank etc). I chose to open it to everyone to even the playing field.
I don't see anyone who has handouts from charity getting all bitchy when those handouts stop. I guess you believe you deserve more. Be sure you point out to the next beggar you pass that you are better and more deserving then them.
As for moving on, in games I have and I'm loving it. As for your attempts to push me off a public forum, you'll have to try a lot harder then that .
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Elgar
I'd would like you to do as you like. Since you don't like to be told what to do - perhaps that will be enough to make you stop.
You took away from the public something you knew very well they relied on for their playing enjoyment. You hurt the playing community of AC in an attempt to hurt Turbine. You want to be cannonized for this, talk to the pope. You had a temper tantrum and took your toys away. You want me, or any/everyone else to like/love you for this? Ok, fair enough. I'd like you to reverse course and bring your Plug-in back for everyone's use.
At this point, we both know neither of those things are going to happen.
On a lighter note, it's good to hear you're having fun in Eve.
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EVE sucks, i played that for like 2 - 3 months, it gets sooooo boring. Its sooo slow paced. All you do is mine, mine, mine, sell, sell, sell. Oh wait some boring redundant missions too, forgot about those. Of course you could go PVP but thats impossible unless you've been playing for at least a year since your skills are trained real time and you would be no match for anyone else.
Elgar will get tired of that game real quick, just hope he doesn't come back here.
Speaking of which, I thought he was over this whole AC thing and didn't want anything to do with AC. Thats obviously a lie since he can't stop coming back to an "AC" forum.
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Could we please not keep taking cheap stabs at ElgarL please? It is a public board and he can choose to, or not to, post when he chooses.
Thanks =)
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fair enough.
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Name - Elgar Lightfoot
Race - Gallente
Gender - Male
Bloodline - Gallente
Corporation - Lightfoot Industries
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Date Of Birth - 2004.12.16 08:06:00
I'm old enough
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Well now i know who to tell my buds to look for and kill.
(sorry, misunderstood context -C)
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Theriex, in El's defense - I'd have to guess more than half of the posters on these various AC Forums no longer play, but, continue to enjoy what I have always considered AC's greatest aspect, that being the social one.
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I will admit AC is one heck of a game, but what makes it stand out above all the rest is the community.
As for your 'friends' looking for me, You are more than welcome, thats a major part of EVE. Makes it more fun .
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Eve is fun for a while. I played since beta hoping they'd grow a clue one day. It has a lot of potential but in it's current state is pretty much a trash MMO. I finally stopped as I could no longer stomach the jerks whining and getting everything they want. To many 733t d00d5 for my liking that are there for no reason other than to ruin someone elses day. It kind of resembles a social experiment designed to see who can be the largest butt waffle. It's basically Quake in space with mining and choke points to guarantee the prats optimal noob killing opportunities. Some people like this kind of mindless ganking where the attacker/camper has ALL the advantages and the defender is pretty much guaranteed to get popped. Personally I like a little more substance...
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When I played Eve it reminded me of the insane people from the Movie Serenity - a bunch of rabid people who attack on sight for no other reason than to kill for the sheer delight of it. I did enjoy it for a time, I found mining so similar to mindlessly grinding for XP in a dungeon that it was vaguely unsettling. But AC as always lured me back in, though, in all seriousness, I never left.
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--- I'd have to guess more than half of the posters on these various AC Forums no longer play, but, continue to enjoy what I have always considered AC's greatest aspect, that being the social one.
I can't argue with that, altho some people get too attached to this game and its social aspects and seem to forget that it is just a game and outside this virtual reality is real life with real people. Then again maybe this is the place (AC) some people go because they can't make real friends in real life or are only able to get away with the things they do online than if they tried in the real world.
Edit - This is not directed towards anyone. Just a generalized statement. So no taking offense. K? =P
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Howie, they recently added 'Warp to Zero'. Now all those kiddie gate gankers have to work for their kills . You can sail through low security space and so long as your not an idiot you can get through with no hastle at all.
Just recently I jumped into a 0.3 security system and some idiot opened fire on me. They were 191k from the gate and clearly using Tech 2 ammo (very expensive). I was in my Megathron, which they had no chance of destroying or even delaying .
I slowly aligned to the next gate (letting them waste some more ammo), then jumped to warp. Must have cost them a decent amount and got them nothing other than a sour taste in their mouth .
Oh you also can't do combat (at any range) while fitted with Warp Core Stabilizers. No more quick gank and run jobs. If they want to fight they have to stay and fight .
Anyway, this isn't the place to be discussing EVE .
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Whats Warp to Zero?
Edit: I think i just figured that out, instead of warping to 15km out, you warp to 0m/right on top of your destination. Which saves the need for BM instajumps now.
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